Could the fate of Ana Lucia have been any different on the island of Lost? We're still reeling from the emotional gut-punch that was "Two for the Road," and in our latest podcast episode, we're not holding back on the raw, intense discussions that this game-changing chapter necessitates. From the strategic musings of an ex-cop to the sweet, albeit clumsy, romantic endeavors of Hurley, we're unpacking the full spectrum of emotions and the hard-hitting questions about choices, redemption, and the nature of leadership that this episode throws at us.
Hold onto your headphones as we examine the complex tapestry of character interactions, where alliances are tested, secrets are kept, and decisive moments redefine our perception of these flawed yet fascinating survivors. The shocking actions of Michael leave us grappling with the heavy themes of revenge and redemption, as we analyze the buildup and the heart-stopping aftermath of an episode that dared to cross lines we never imagined. Our conversation navigates through the nuanced performances that brought these characters to life, celebrating the strengths and questioning the motives that drive the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815.
As we conclude with our personal episode rankings, revealing the rise and fall of our beloved characters after this tumultuous chapter, we can't help but marvel at the storytelling prowess that Lost consistently delivers. This isn't just a recap; it's a deep dive into the very heart of one of television's most gripping dramas, punctuated by bursts of humor and the occasional side-eye at questionable character choices. Trust us, if you're a fan of Lost who loves to dissect every twist and character arc, you won't want to miss out on our passionate and sometimes humorous dissection of "Two for the Road.
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Kip: we're three best friends and we love lost and we love
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talking, but even more so we love talking about lost.
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So join us for some laughs, good conversation and let's get
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lost together.
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Hello everybody, welcome back to this week's episode of let's
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Get Lost.
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I should say welcome to this week's episode of let's Get Lost
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.
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We are here today to talk about a special episode.
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It's special because we all watched it together literally
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five minutes ago.
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Amanda: Okay, I was like I would not call this one special, and
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because two people die.
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Kip: So it's me Kip, and it's me Amanda, and it's me Teresa.
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I'm all hyped up.
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Why am I Mario?
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Amanda: We're just on a high, which is weird, it's not a high.
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I am, it was exciting.
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Kip: It was a very exciting episode of you don't.
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Amanda: You don't have to like it for it to be we're amped up
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yeah, it was a little too exciting well, let's hear what
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we're talking about.
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Kip: Amanda.
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What's this?
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Amanda: all right, we're gonna get right to it today, because
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there's just so much to talk about in this episode.
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Uh, we are on episode 20 of season two and it is titled Two
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for the Road, which is very apt.
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Written by Elizabeth Sarnoff and Christina M Kim, directed by
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Paul Edwards.
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Jack and Kate bring an exhausted Michael back to the
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camp with news about the others.
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Meanwhile, anna Lucia attempts to get the prisoner to confess
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and Hurley plans a surprise date for Libby 8.9.
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Just about cracked that 9.
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Kip: That's a good up.
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Viewers 15.03 million.
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So we lost about 650 from last week.
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Well, it was kind of a dud.
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No, it wasn't a dud, it just was not as exciting.
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Amanda: It was a valley, it was a valley, it was a valley.
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The peaks and valleys.
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Kip: Yeah, it was a valley.
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So what did your nickname count ?
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We had four, count, we had four really, doc, doc, lucy.
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Lucy calls anna lucia lucy.
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I like that.
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Um also calls her muchacha for some reason.
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What the fuck.
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Muchacha sawyer, what the fuck.
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And then he calls um lock brutus as an a2 yeah, thatus.
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Amanda: Yeah, that was a good one.
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Kip: Sawyer was.
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Amanda: Sawyer was in fine Sawyer form today.
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Theresa: He was in fine form.
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Amanda: This, to me, is a classic Sawyer.
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Kip: Yeah agreed, no, it was good.
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Wow, okay, so I got two trivia questions for you Okay, I'm
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ready.
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A trivia fact.
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Okay, question number one where was the morgue scene filmed?
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Amanda: oh, um, was it in like the medical bay thing from the
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other episodes?
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Kip: no, it was.
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Oh theresa any ideas?
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No, in the kitchen of the Hawaii Convention Center.
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Amanda: That's awesome.
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Kip: It did actually kind of have a kitchen-y feel to it,
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that's funny Bonus question what other scenes were filmed at the
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convention center from this episode?
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Theresa: The airport.
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Kip: Yeah, all the airport, yeah , all the airport scenes.
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Theresa: That's a nice convention center, very nice.
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Kip: Okay, question number two.
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Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros both received DUIs within
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how many minutes of each other on the same day?
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Theresa: No, get out 18.
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Kip: On the same day no, yes, get out 18.
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Amanda: No walt yes, 42, no, 15 minutes, get out of here, or 8,
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15, oh man, the numbers are cursed.
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Weird, it is insane, and I know we've talked about this before,
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but and how I thought they were all let go for these reasons
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and you determined, kip, that they weren't let go.
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Kip: No, for these reasons that the decisions made creatively
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were still made creatively in fact, the producers were worried
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that people would think that and considered rewriting the
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deaths because they didn't want it them to a think that, but
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also think that this is some message about don't drink and
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drive.
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Amanda: Why would that be wrong, though?
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Well, I think, that's okay If that's the message.
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By the way, that's the takeaway guys.
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Kip: Yeah, you get shot by Michael If you drink and drive
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within 15 minutes but isn't that crazy that they actually
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thought that that would be a takeaway, but then they decided
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to stick with it.
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And then of, and lucia or michelle rodriguez was only
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going to play one season yeah but what's the saddest part is
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they only decided to kill libby because they didn't think ann
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lucy's death would be very impactful right, that's a load
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of crap, so we'll talk about all that.
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Amanda: Yeah, yeah but uh, I do, like I said, I know we've
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talked about it before, but I do remember there being a lot of
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conversation around the amount of impaireds, that or the duis,
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I think they call them in the states but the drunk driving
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charges plaguing the cast.
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So it's interesting that they had to kind of be, because I do
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remember it being in magazines and stuff.
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So it's like they probably were like oh my God, like there's
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almost too much.
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They probably honestly just didn't want it to cloud the
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conversation around the creative decision.
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So I get why they would like maybe be like oh, oh, we don't
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want this to like seem like a statement like we, this is a
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creative choice exactly, yeah, yeah, it's very interesting, all
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right, so there you go fun fact , fun fact.
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Kip: Now it's time for the high brow.
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Takeaway from a high brow, high level um, I actually you know
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what I'm.
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Amanda: So we I should say that we just the three of us watched
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this together.
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Kip uh intimated that earlier.
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Um, we watched it together.
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We don't do that often.
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We've done it a couple times, usually for bigger episodes like
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this.
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It's always really fun to experience it with each other,
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um, but usually when I do that I'm more invested in, like, the
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experience.
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So I actually don't have a high level takeaway for this episode
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that I like thought about while I was watching or just have kind
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of come to the conclusion of um .
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I will just say overall, I have it's.
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It's not that different than other times.
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I've said this I am finding myself way more sympathetic to
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characters like Anna Lucia and Kate and stuff believe it or not
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, um, than before, and I do.
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I do find it sad when, um, you say that Anna Lucia's death
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wasn't considered, that it wouldn't be considered impactful
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enough, because I actually really did find myself,
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especially that phone call with her mom, which we're going to
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talk about later, but just that idea that like, yeah, it's just,
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I really do.
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I think I didn't.
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So this is kind of a high level thing.
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I don't think I concentrated on those pieces as much the first
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time, like those kind of like redemptive pieces, I think kind
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of I was concentrating more on the actiony like and the kind of
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intensity and the bigger picture things like those little
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moments like her calling back to her mom and like that really
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like my, I remember pieces of like watching them rebuild
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themselves are more impactful and then to have that happen and
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then have her little life taken away is just oh, it's hard to
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watch yeah, hard to watch.
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Kip: I I will say I agree with.
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The more you watch it and I think too, as the older you get,
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the easier it is to sympathize with these characters who are
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initially, are very abrupt and abrasive, and hard to sympathize
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, sympathize with, so I I can, I can get that for sure.
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All right, all right, and I, I mean we've got.
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Amanda: We got a flavor already, facial expression wise, but now
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it's time.
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Kip: Teresa's dream of consciousness also.
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Theresa: Um, okay, two for the road.
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Is this an Ana Lucia episode?
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Seems a lot of.
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Seems like a lot of her in the previously.
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On, how long has Michael been gone?
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Even does anyone remember?
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Jack, you're a doctor.
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Maybe focus on the unconscious person instead of trying to
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figure out if the others are around.
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Who the F is snoring right now.
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Oh, it is an Ana Lucia episode.
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Okay, here we go, let's see what we learned today.
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Um, uh-oh, I think mother knows also.
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You'd think she'd have a better alibi, since she's a cop.
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But okay, isn't she gonna get help from a lawyer?
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I'm confused.
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What's her mom going to do to help her?
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You can't just keep feeding Fenri fruit.
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He's going to get diarrhea.
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Also, ana Lucia, can you please call him Fenri?
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Sorry, fenri, what did you say?
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Oh my God, fenri, you're crazy.
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That was intense.
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Is anyone else kind of underwhelmed by Ana Lucia right
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now?
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Like I kind of thought she'd be able to get out of it even a
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little bit, while she becomes security at the airport, and
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this is where she meets.
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Christian, see you again.
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Wait, where did you guys meet already?
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Oh, security gotcha.
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Um, is this post?
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Oh, this is post.
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Losing license Christian.
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So he's's wait, is christian gonna meet on lucia's sugar
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daddy?
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Why doesn't this ever happen to me?
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It bothers me that her tequila and tonic doesn't have any ice
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in it.
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Oh, and she drank it so gross, just straight down the gullet.
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Oh my god, why did you name her the same as jack's wife?
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It is jack's wife, right, guys?
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Um, does she even have her passport on her?
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How's she gonna get on the plane?
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Oh, hey, libby.
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Wait, anna, are you trying to sew up your head by yourself?
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Maybe ask libby too.
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She at least went to med school.
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Lock, do not put your fingers up in there.
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Imagine it goes into lockdown again.
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You're fucked.
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What on earth is fenry?
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Tied to henryri might be the most terrifying.
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Also, we would say that Ethan and Goodwin are good at killing
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people.
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Oh, not again, locke.
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What in tarnation?
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Just chill out.
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Wait, goodwins, what Goodwins?
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Who's in charge?
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I'm so confused.
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What was your mission?
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I don't believe Fenri at all.
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Locke, just run away.
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Wait, why are we yelling for John?
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He's on crutches.
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He can't help you carry anyone.
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Oh, mangoes and Sawyer, get and scram.
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Come on, sawyer, she's not a dog.
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Oh, holy.
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Also, holy crap, I don't see his jacked.
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And oh shit, christian, you look like shit.
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What time is it for?
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What's it time for Christian?
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Christian, what are you doing?
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You're knocking on someone's door at this hour.
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Who's that lady?
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Oh, he has a daughter.
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Oh, I think everyone's in this episode.
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Maybe I hope Charlie's, not Hurley's so sweet I can't even
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deal with it.
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Also, the guy behind Hurley was picking up mangoes and then
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picked something up and then smelled it.
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Anyone else notice that?
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Okay, don't tell Hurley to go fuck in your fuck tent, saeed
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Gross.
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Um, man, michael is out, holy crap.
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Also, everyone is so tense in that hatch, damn, pin me down.
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Why don't you, sawyer?
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I'm surprised people didn't bone much sooner, to be honest.
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But do we have contraceptives on this island?
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Ah, christian's confession is so sad, hey, sawyer.
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And he does never go back.
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Um, she took the gun, didn't she ?
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Oh, my god, hurley is making a charcuterie board.
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But wait, why do you need two jars of olives?
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What a sweet man.
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My heart can't take it.
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Ugh, I need a man like Hurley in my life.
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Wait, why are we lying though Locke, or?
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Oh man, he's just moaning.
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Groan, is he okay?
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Like did he get clocked in the head?
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Michael got up so fast he found them, the others, tents and dry
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fish.
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Okay, sorry, what boat?
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Oh right, the boat they took Walt on Old and half are women.
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Okay, women can can kick, or?
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That's rude.
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Women can kick your ass, michael, you jackass.
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What was lock right about nice of jack to finally admit that
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he's wrong?
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Okay, so let me get this straight.
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We have dharma water bottles and then we have dharma nalgene
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bottles.
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Why do we need both?
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This is the cutest scene, poor hurley.
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It's so hilarious, though, what the fuck is happening right now
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.
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Jack, you're such an asshole.
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Don't burn the last few pages he can.
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He can never find this book ever again.
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It's not even a book.
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How does he just realize that he doesn't have his gun?
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Uh-oh, lucy is gonna do something bad.
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This is fucked up.
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Um, so goodwin was telling people what was going on at camp
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, okay, but didn't goodwin also attack?
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So wasn't it self-defense?
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Fenry is actually terrifying.
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I think I've said that already.
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Who's on a lucia calling?
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Is she wearing the same clothes as in the bar when she met
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christian?
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Oh, she called her mom, gotcha.
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It's sad that she never goes home.
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It's sad for all of them that they never make it home.
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Honestly, michael needs to rest .
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Oh shit, michael didn't know about Fenri.
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Aw, anna-louise, that's so sad.
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Um, michael, I don't think you can kill him.
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Have you ever killed anyone?
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It's not that easy.
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Who are you saying sorry to Wait?
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What the fuck, why did this happen?
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What the fuck, why did this happen?
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What the fuck, why did this happen?
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Why?
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Why?
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Oh, my fucking god and the b2, what the fuck just happened?
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And to think I gave you the benefit of the doubt, michael,
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you killed two fucking people.
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Is this even fucking real?
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Amanda: the end wow, I have so many things to say.
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Can I actually look at your screen?
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Yeah it's so hard to remember all of them like, and I tried
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writing something down, but it's just like too hard.
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The first thing, though, is I want to say is I 100 agree about
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annalusia.
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I am like so much more scared of fenry knowing he can take
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annalusia, but he did catch her off guard.
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That's probably totally the only reason he could, but, like
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I also was like not I didn't, I thought she would get out of it
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herself same.
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Kip: That's so too I I also didn't necessarily think that
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she would fall for his little.
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Amanda: I'm talking quietly to get you closer yeah, yeah, like
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she'd be, like she's really slipping yeah, well yeah um, I
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also thought sawyer would have noticed the gun being gone way
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before, like like what?
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Theresa: yeah, that like he goes to grab it.
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Oh, what he's like.
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It's been gone for hours.
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Exactly who the hunk?
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Amanda: yeah, again someone who fell for something a little too.
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Everyone's falling for things a little too easily.
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They're all getting a little too comfortable.
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Kip: Bernard was right last week .
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Amanda: They're all just setting up shop like everything's fine
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yeah, oh, and I okay, yeah, yeah , um, I don't, yeah, we'll talk.
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I want to talk for this later, um what's happening?
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I agree when she swallows that drink yeah, that was like whoa,
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but then like you're like it's just down the gulf, but then she
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also has it in her mouth and swallows really aggressively.
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Kip: It's really so I'm like not even sure what's going on.
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Amanda: That was annoying, though I agree.
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Um, I don't think liby went to med school because she's a
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psychologist.
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I thought she was a psychiatrist.
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I think she's a psychologist.
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Theresa: She's a clinical psychologist.
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Amanda: Okay, never mind, but still I'm sure, having someone
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when does when Locked not put your fingers Up there.
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What was that?
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Kip: When he's Getting in that.
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Amanda: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Kip: Last door.
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That's so funny when you said that I'm like oh yeah, you'd
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think he would be A bit more careful.
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Yeah, like.
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Amanda: Oh my god.
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Kip: I didn't know what you're talking about first either.
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Amanda: Like where were his fingers, and I don't know if I
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would describe it as get your fingers out of there or whatever
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.
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Well, that's scary.
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Kip: He was fingering.
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Yeah, okay, well, putting them all up in there.
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Theresa: That's funny.
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Amanda: Yeah, I guess that's.
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Uh, that's really.
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Those were the really big the contraceptive thing.
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Yeah.
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I mean they do, they do the really big, the contraceptives
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thing yeah they, I mean they do, they do have, I'd say the
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island does.
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Yeah, oh, boy.
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Kip: So I think it's interesting , or what else you got there no,
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that's okay.
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The rest that we can just talk about like it's a good reminder
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of what we need to talk about because, um, I think it's
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interesting that theresa you have you only seen the show once
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fully through, like is, and when I think honestly like I'm
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trying to remember because I know the beginning of the pod we
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were all like we've seen it a few times.
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Theresa: Yeah, I don't think I have I don't think you have
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either.
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Kip: No, because theresa did not remember what happened.
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Theresa: This episode, like I knew eventually, like I, I knew
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eventually that they did die.
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Yeah, I didn't think it was now and I didn't think it was so
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close together.
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For some reason in my mind, these were like separate events
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yeah, okay, and the.
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Amanda: Thing the thing is like, even when I I don't remember
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some stuff, I have always remembered that scene so vividly
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, to the point where I remember she was on that little couch
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thing.
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Kip: Yeah, same.
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Amanda: And I remember that Libby was holding a blanket.
00:17:53
Kip: Well, I've seen.
00:17:56
So when it first aired before the next season would air, I
00:18:00
would re-watch the previous season.
00:18:02
Oh, okay, so the first two seasons I've seen quite a few
00:18:05
times, but then as the seasons progressed, I only just
00:18:10
re-watched the sixth season for the first time recently.
00:18:13
Theresa: Yeah, I don't think I've watched it more than once
00:18:15
through like in its entirety.
00:18:17
Amanda: I've watched it through twice, yeah, but the second time
00:18:22
wasn't complete.
00:18:24
We never finished, rory and I rewatched it, but I don't think
00:18:32
we finished it.
00:18:33
Theresa: I think the problem is when I say that I've rewatched
00:18:36
it.
00:18:36
When I think about it, I think I've watched the finale more
00:18:40
than once.
00:18:41
Kip: Yeah, that makes sense.
00:18:44
Theresa: And some select episodes We'll sometimes watch
00:18:46
certain episodes, but I don't think I've ever seen like the
00:18:49
entire series more than once through so then that make.
00:18:53
Kip: Well, it doesn't.
00:18:55
It doesn't make sense that you wouldn't remember, because to me
00:18:57
again, maybe only because I've seen it at least six times, but
00:19:01
like this is so memorable yeah, I would think that I would.
00:19:05
To me, this is one of the bigger ones it's like arguably
00:19:12
the most shocking, because it's just boom, boom, boom, like anna
00:19:18
lucia libby then shoots himself yeah, like holy shit.
00:19:22
Amanda: And because it's michael and because, like, as much as
00:19:24
michael has never really been like yeah, I know Trace is
00:19:28
feeling pretty fucking vindicated right now as much as
00:19:31
Michael has always been annoying , michael has actually always
00:19:34
been pretty ineffectual.
00:19:36
Yeah Right, like that's kind of his shtick.
00:19:39
His shtick is I lost my boy, right, like I can't do anything,
00:19:43
but it's like in the span of five seconds he changes the
00:19:48
entire script I think that's.
00:19:50
Theresa: Maybe that's why I don't remember is because when I
00:19:52
think of michael, I think he's a terrible father and that he's
00:19:56
like walt, walt I need to get to my boy.
00:19:59
But I don't remember anything else about him that just has
00:20:02
taken over yeah, arguably this is also about that, like it's
00:20:08
still about how he doesn't do anything other than I don't mean
00:20:11
details, but I mean like, yeah, as an old, like when I think
00:20:14
michael, it's, where's my boy, walt, walt, he's a terrible dad
00:20:18
yeah but that's it.
00:20:19
Like there's no like specifics in like what I think michael, is
00:20:23
this this specific part?
00:20:25
Amanda: yeah, never registered, like you, just blocked it from
00:20:29
your memory, probably because it's traumatizing yeah, I know
00:20:32
it's very traumatizing, like it is very like I don't know what
00:20:37
we can yeah, okay, let's but it's just insane to me, that's
00:20:42
um yeah, let's start with where you started, teresa.
00:20:45
Kip: This is a Anna Lucia episode so it's her, her
00:20:49
flashbacks, and I mean over archingly it does.
00:20:54
What lost does seems to do is give the people who are about to
00:20:58
be killed some emotional resonance and makes you feel for
00:21:02
them.
00:21:04
Amanda: Yeah, and that's going to continue yeah.
00:21:13
Kip: But it's definitely a good Anna Lucia episode and it is one
00:21:14
of those ones where you do start to think she could have
00:21:16
been a good character.
00:21:19
Theresa: Absolutely.
00:21:20
Kip: I think she always was a good character.
00:21:21
I'm one of the people who actually really likes anna lucia
00:21:26
, but like if she hadn't died and granted, like that was
00:21:31
apparently always the plan maybe not in this specific way of her
00:21:35
to only be on one season, but if she, you could start to
00:21:38
imagine her being in the show multiple seasons after this like
00:21:42
because of this episode, I think anyway yeah, I think she
00:21:46
did it.
00:21:47
Amanda: I I do feel for her in this episode.
00:21:49
I don't like we start kind of with the flashback of like her
00:21:54
coming back on shift immediately .
00:21:56
It seems like after the uh, you know incident from the past
00:22:03
flashback episode of hers, we watched um and we see that her
00:22:08
mom is aware that she's the cause of this and I don't know
00:22:13
like there's something about how her mom handled that.
00:22:16
That kind of like rubbed me the wrong way, like I don't know
00:22:20
that that's like an appropriate way, like this isn't just like
00:22:25
she screwed up a traffic ticket, like she murdered a suspect.
00:22:29
Kip: Like I think she says assassinated.
00:22:32
Amanda: Executed or executed, yeah, because literally yeah.
00:22:36
And she's just like kind of again like it's like and I know
00:22:38
we talked about it before how she was like probably the most
00:22:40
caring of the parents we had ever seen, and I still think
00:22:43
that's probably true.
00:22:44
But I just I feel like what, what is the plan here?
00:22:49
Like she's like I need to help you.
00:22:50
Like was her intention to turn her in?
00:22:54
Was her intention to get like?
00:22:57
I just I, it was never clear to me what the mom's plan was with
00:23:02
all this, because she does just let her quit and like so if
00:23:05
she's not going to be a police officer anymore, she's like okay
00:23:07
with her, just like walking around having killed somebody,
00:23:11
and she said, you know, like the investigations would be dead
00:23:13
end.
00:23:13
So maybe she just figured like, but it's just the whole thing,
00:23:17
and and why this matters so much to me, because it really
00:23:20
doesn't in the grand scheme of things probably is just because
00:23:23
of the fact that they kind of come together again at the end
00:23:25
in this, like phone call, and I just, yeah, I'm just curious as
00:23:31
to like what mom's game plan was .
00:23:33
And then, if she did go home, like were they just going to
00:23:35
have this like warm and fuzzy moment or were they going to
00:23:37
actually deal with any of this, because I kind of got the
00:23:39
impression at the end of it that annalicia was maybe willing to
00:23:43
take responsibility and you do see that kind of mirrored on the
00:23:48
island with the fact that she doesn't want to just take
00:23:51
another life out of essentially revenge.
00:23:54
Kip: Yeah, I felt similar to that, thinking maybe the mom was
00:23:58
thinking this low life is gone.
00:24:02
Anna Lucia killed him, yeah, the investigation, the dead end
00:24:06
and all that.
00:24:06
Maybe she wants to help her in the sense of like clearly Anna
00:24:13
Lucia has some major like inner demons and I'm as her mother, I
00:24:18
care more about that.
00:24:19
So I'm going to help her come to terms with that and maybe
00:24:22
move, move on in a more emotionally positive way.
00:24:26
I don't know, like maybe I can help her in a sense of like you
00:24:29
don't need to be at the police anymore, that's fine, you quit,
00:24:31
whatever.
00:24:31
But we're still gonna, I'm still wanting to help you so
00:24:35
that you can be okay yeah, I agree it's just it's.
00:24:40
Amanda: It was very, as one of the only parents who does seem
00:24:44
actively invested in making sure their daughter is okay, it just
00:24:48
yeah, it was very it's tough to watch, I that.
00:24:53
for me it's the flashbacks that I don't remember often more than
00:24:56
anything, or I'll remember kind of more of the high level stuff
00:24:58
, but not the like individual scenes of them and that I
00:25:02
remember don't.
00:25:03
I didn't remember it being so overt that her mom knew what had
00:25:10
happened, so I just thought that was a very interesting
00:25:11
dynamic that was kind of introduced.
00:25:14
And then obviously we see her quit and then go work at the
00:25:18
airport.
00:25:19
Kip: Yeah, Wanding, wanding, wanding.
00:25:21
How does one get into wanding?
00:25:24
Theresa: Yeah, that was a weird question, but it's funny because
00:25:26
we were just talking about how I wanted to work for border
00:25:29
services.
00:25:30
Kip: Yeah, so there you go.
00:25:31
Second sign Christian is great, though, Like John Terry, I
00:25:38
think, is the actor right.
00:25:39
Amanda: Yeah, what else has he been in?
00:25:41
I don't know.
00:25:41
There's something really infamous that he's in, I think,
00:25:43
other than this.
00:25:44
Kip: I have no idea.
00:25:45
There's something really infamous that he's in, I think,
00:25:46
other than this.
00:25:46
I have no idea and I was thinking like he's so good, he's
00:25:48
a great actor and I love his voice oh yeah.
00:25:50
Amanda: Yeah, but he is really good and we got some good like
00:25:54
it is an Anna Lucia flashback, but we do get some good
00:25:58
Christian content and some kind of window into the soul of like
00:26:05
how he feels about.
00:26:06
Kip: Yeah, totally.
00:26:10
Theresa: That confession that he has when he's like I can't
00:26:12
remember what he says, but my son blah blah blah and I
00:26:15
punished him by yeah, that was so sad.
00:26:18
Amanda: And how he can't ever like he can never go back and he
00:26:22
can't fix it with Jack, which is super sad to know that, like
00:26:27
he would have done that right and and jack already got a
00:26:30
little bit of that from sawyer when they had that conversation
00:26:32
at the end of season one it's crazy to think that that's where
00:26:36
he was going into the bar to meet up with, and he would have
00:26:40
met up with sawyer to have that conversation yeah it all comes
00:26:43
together like that so, yeah, we see that she's obviously again
00:26:49
like I think it sucks because, yes, I start to feel for her in
00:26:53
this episode, but I also still feel like she wasn't completely
00:26:56
well fleshed out because we only had the two flashbacks and
00:26:59
because I do think that maybe they're a little confused as to
00:27:01
like where, because I do find, like I, I I don't fully
00:27:08
understand her motivations and the fact that like, yes, she
00:27:11
clearly acted out of anger and revenge on that guy.
00:27:15
Clearly she's still not a good place.
00:27:17
She then quits her job because she doesn't want to deal with
00:27:19
anything.
00:27:19
She's working the airport, clearly drinking too much,
00:27:21
decides to go on this weird adventure, bender drinking too
00:27:25
much.
00:27:25
Decides to go on this weird adventure bender assignment with
00:27:27
Christian and then is like this is too much for me, man, and
00:27:30
like kind of bails out and then decides to go.
00:27:32
So I don't know if it was like quite, if I was quite convinced
00:27:36
by that, if it was just Christian speech that kind of
00:27:38
reminded her that like it's important to head home and you
00:27:43
know.
00:27:43
Kip: I think she was just like God.
00:27:46
God, what have I got myself into?
00:27:48
Theresa: like I think she was just like.
00:27:49
Kip: This guy is, like assaulting women in the middle
00:27:51
of the night or trying to break into their house, like what the
00:27:55
fuck is wrong with him, and I'm sitting here like being his
00:27:58
driver slash bodyguard and oh man, I gotta, I gotta make shit
00:28:03
right, because I did not think my life would end up like this.
00:28:06
I think that's kind of like where her mind was at.
00:28:09
Theresa: Yeah, I think it's a combination of that.
00:28:11
And then what Christian says, like, put it together and you're
00:28:14
just.
00:28:14
I mean I think that would make anyone kind of take a look at
00:28:17
their life and just be like what am I doing here?
00:28:21
Kip: Yeah, I do think she was going to go back and like try to
00:28:23
make things right with, like you say, take some
00:28:26
responsibility and accountability for what she had
00:28:29
done and it's so sad thinking I agree with you, amanda in that
00:28:40
conversation with her mom on the phone when she's in the airport
00:28:41
.
00:28:41
Just like both of them are never going to get to that
00:28:49
resolution, her mom will always just well, just like everybody
00:28:51
who who had someone on that plane, but like she was calling
00:28:56
her mom to say I'm coming home and I miss you and I want to
00:28:59
make things right and then just to flash forward and essentially
00:29:03
into her sitting on that couch and just like being like fuck
00:29:08
again, here I am, what am I doing with my life?
00:29:10
Amanda: like I was about to kill someone and yeah and I don't
00:29:14
want to be this person and I do love that she made that choice
00:29:19
for herself.
00:29:20
Because what I think bothers me about annalucy and why, like I
00:29:25
can't as much as I do like her better this time than I did the
00:29:28
first time and I I never I want to like her more, like I love
00:29:33
that she's tough, I love that she's.
00:29:35
But I think what bothers me and similarly right, like there's a
00:29:40
lot of themes to characters on this show, like similarly to
00:29:44
Kate, is this this, these ideas of I made a mistake.
00:29:48
Like she says to her mom like I made a mistake.
00:29:50
What does she mean about that?
00:29:52
Like what mistake does she is she taking responsibility for?
00:29:54
Because she hasn't really made, like she's made choices that
00:29:58
were bad.
00:30:01
I don't know if I'd classify a lot of what she's done as a
00:30:03
mistake, because it's very calculated, like and even this
00:30:08
that's why I like that she stopped herself with with Fenry,
00:30:12
because she spent the episode angry and then she multiple
00:30:22
times tried to get the gun from Sawyer and went to a lot of
00:30:25
lengths to do so.
00:30:26
Like a lot of decision making went into getting the getting
00:30:30
the gun right.
00:30:32
So it's like at any point in these moments, like there's this
00:30:35
time where you could stop and say to yourself I'm not going to
00:30:39
do x any further.
00:30:40
And she doesn't do that.
00:30:42
So that's why I always find it difficult to forgive her and why
00:30:46
I find it difficult to forgive Kate a lot of the times.
00:30:50
I do think that a lot of Sawyer's mistakes and Jack's
00:30:52
mistakes and Locke's mistakes do come out of these like crises
00:30:55
points where they're not thinking straight, which doesn't
00:30:57
make it OK, by the way.
00:30:59
But I find it a little bit more understandable than taking that
00:31:03
time to be like I don't have to do this, but I'm almost
00:31:06
choosing to, and I feel like she does that a lot.
00:31:09
Kip: But at the end of this one she actually makes the choice
00:31:13
not to kill jenry yeah, and I think, all that being said, that
00:31:20
is very similar to what goes down with lock towards the end
00:31:24
of the season is the choice, like the choices that he's
00:31:27
making and you continue to see.
00:31:29
So let's switch a little bit to Locke, because his interaction
00:31:32
with Henry.
00:31:33
I can't Like.
00:31:34
You know he's saying like, why didn't you hurt me?
00:31:39
It's like you dumbass, he thought he was going to be still
00:31:42
fooling everybody.
00:31:43
Like at that point point he had no reason to hurt you.
00:31:47
Yeah, like, how stupid can you be?
00:31:49
Amanda: and then I can't with like the whole.
00:31:51
Oh, it's coming for you oh oh, I know and then he's like what
00:31:57
me?
00:31:58
Kip: who me like, I'm like how, how many more?
00:32:01
Theresa: times.
00:32:01
Are you gonna believe everything this man says?
00:32:03
Exactly you know that he is fake.
00:32:05
You know that he is fake.
00:32:06
You know that he is a liar.
00:32:07
Yeah, everything that comes out of his mouth is probably not
00:32:11
true.
00:32:11
Like, how are you still like getting sucked in by him?
00:32:15
Amanda: Because it's the same reason he keeps going back to
00:32:17
Anthony Cooper and the same reason he went right, like the
00:32:22
only thing that he really truly wants to believe is that he's
00:32:25
special and that all of this shit and by, the only thing that
00:32:28
he really truly wants to believe is that he's special and
00:32:29
that all of this shit.
00:32:29
And, by the way, that's fine, he's been through a lot of shit,
00:32:30
but he wants all of that shit he's been through to mean
00:32:32
something right and anytime anyone gives him the slightest
00:32:36
glimmer of that, he, that's all he latches on to like for dear
00:32:40
life.
00:32:40
Kip: Yeah, oh, that was another thing you said.
00:32:43
Teresa in your stream was like why are like, why are you
00:32:47
calling?
00:32:47
Why are you calling so much for Locke?
00:32:48
What's he going to do?
00:32:49
I was like thinking, yeah, why were they calling for Locke so
00:32:52
much?
00:32:53
Theresa: I didn't get that.
00:32:53
He'll just hobble over and look at what's happening.
00:32:58
Kip: They didn't know he was talking to Fenway, so it's not
00:33:00
like they were saying like get out of there.
00:33:02
Amanda: Yeah, yeah.
00:33:07
Kip: So like, yeah, get out of there.
00:33:09
Yeah, yeah, so, but, um, yeah, I know, john lock was, it's just
00:33:10
the continue, in my opinion, his like downward spiral into
00:33:11
this, like weird sort of moment that will come to a head at the
00:33:17
end of the season.
00:33:18
But like I, just he, he was just, yeah, falling for it left,
00:33:24
right and center, like head over heels falling for Fenry.
00:33:28
Amanda: So and what's like, let's talk about him again too,
00:33:31
because it all kind of adds to there.
00:33:32
First of all, just while we're talking about the Locke thing, I
00:33:35
really like I like that Jack eventually apologizes to him.
00:33:38
But why is Jack so hostile towards Locke Like?
00:33:42
Even when they're talking like around Michael, like I just I
00:33:47
know that there's 10 like and I'm not even doing this so we
00:33:49
can like shit on Jack or bring up the Jack Locke dynamic.
00:33:52
I'm truly like, did I miss something or am I forgetting
00:33:55
something?
00:33:55
Like it just seems like a lot of open hostility that doesn't
00:34:02
necessarily need to be there.
00:34:04
Is Jack just mad at the world right now?
00:34:07
Kip: What do you think, Teresa?
00:34:09
Theresa: I mean he might still be kind of pissy about the whole
00:34:14
changing the lock thing when he let Saeed in there and then
00:34:22
closed it, and then he was like what's the thing you know?
00:34:24
And then again it.
00:34:25
And then he was like what's the thing you know?
00:34:26
And then again for the guns, yeah, like there's so much like
00:34:29
mistrust between them and they just kind of keep like doing
00:34:33
things without consulting the other, which is like super weird
00:34:37
.
00:34:37
Kip: They just keep doing the same things back and forth to
00:34:38
each other, so maybe that I think so and I think too, like,
00:34:44
even, even, just it's almost I I think he's like a little
00:34:49
unnecessarily hostile.
00:34:51
I agree, like it's like a little too much, like just at
00:34:54
some point, jack, you're just gonna have to accept, he's there
00:34:56
and yeah, he he's never gonna be completely honest with you on
00:34:59
everything.
00:35:00
Amanda: So just like clearly you know, take a load off yourself,
00:35:04
because all that hostility must be, like exhausting yeah, the
00:35:08
people pleaser in me comes out every time I watch him just be
00:35:11
nice to him, even if you don't mean it, simmer down for a
00:35:13
minute.
00:35:14
Kip: I'm sure you'll find life is a bit easier if you just
00:35:17
simmer down but like, but then in this episode too he finds out
00:35:21
lock lied to him again about anna lucia I want to talk about
00:35:25
that too, and just like so he's almost justified in being like.
00:35:30
I don't need to give this guy any like the light of day,
00:35:33
because he's just a fucking asshole who just lies to me
00:35:36
nonstop.
00:35:37
Theresa: Yeah, and like, what was the point of that lie?
00:35:40
Amanda: I think, yes, that's what I wanted to bring up,
00:35:42
because he first says so, like it happens, whatever, and like
00:35:47
he hits, he kind of saves him or whatever, or saves her, and
00:35:52
then they don't really talk about it him and anna lucia,
00:35:55
right no other than a few jokes, and then no one really talks
00:36:00
about it.
00:36:01
It does seem like, when jack comes in, that anna luía is
00:36:03
going to tell him what happened and then law kind of is like oh,
00:36:09
I slipped on the, you slipped in the thing.
00:36:11
Well, sorry about that.
00:36:11
Again like a, why did he lie and why do we think annalucía
00:36:18
went along with it?
00:36:21
Theresa: I mean if someone lies for me like I don't know how,
00:36:25
like I think I would be too awkward to like go against it.
00:36:29
Kip: You're just like oh yeah.
00:36:30
Theresa: I'd be like, okay, sure , I guess.
00:36:32
I guess, like we don't want to tell him that like I was in
00:36:34
there, I guess I don't know weird, but I was just feeding
00:36:37
him, so like I don't really know what the issue is.
00:36:39
Okay, I guess, like that would be me if I was Anna Lucia.
00:36:45
I really don't get why Locke lied.
00:36:48
I don't know if it's to, I don't know.
00:36:53
Kip: I think he lied because I honestly just think he didn't
00:36:59
want a scene Like I, just I don't.
00:37:03
I think he saw Jack was sort of like on a one track mind right
00:37:07
now with at this point they were Michael.
00:37:11
What were they doing, I think?
00:37:16
Amanda: they were about to go get the guns back or something
00:37:18
Right, and so I don't think we were quite there yet.
00:37:20
Kip: Maybe we were but either way, I think I think he had
00:37:23
already talked to Locke about needing to listen to Michael and
00:37:31
go get them, or whatever.
00:37:32
I think he didn't want him distracted, because I think he
00:37:37
thought if he hears about Fenry trying to kill Anna Lucia, he
00:37:42
would have gone on a rampage and Jack would have, because he's
00:37:45
so reactive.
00:37:46
So I think it was just like we don't need this right now.
00:37:49
We don't need Jack being like we have enough yeah exactly
00:37:52
that's all I think.
00:37:53
And but why Anna Lucia went with it, I think was maybe just
00:37:55
because not to like again create a big scene, and I think she
00:38:00
probably intended to just be like eventually.
00:38:04
What the hell was that for?
00:38:05
Amanda: like I can kind of handle this myself like I don't
00:38:08
need you to protect me, but then just never had time to do that
00:38:11
well, I just wondered if, like, maybe it was just because in
00:38:14
their own ways they both intended to deal with it on
00:38:17
their own right.
00:38:18
So I think lock kind of was like I don't want, like I agree
00:38:21
with what you guys are saying, that he didn't want jack to know
00:38:23
because Jack would interfere.
00:38:26
But I think part of it is that he wanted.
00:38:30
I think Locke thinks he still has Fenrir under control.
00:38:35
Kip: Yeah, I think he saw maybe a threat to Fenrir and he didn't
00:38:38
want to lose that chance to finish that conversation about
00:38:43
why he's special 100%, and that's what it was.
00:38:46
Amanda: And then I think Anna Lucia in a way too.
00:38:48
That's why I was curious what you guys thought, because when
00:38:51
the way Michelle Rodriguez plays it is she kind of kind of is
00:38:55
like kind of like okay, and then I like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
00:38:58
that's what it is, as if she's just kind of going along with
00:38:59
him, but I wondered if there was like a piece of her too.
00:39:02
That's almost like I don't want jack to know about this because
00:39:04
I want to go kill him at one point yeah, probably, yeah, yeah
00:39:09
.
00:39:09
So I thought that was well played actually on both their
00:39:12
parts.
00:39:13
Like I thought there's like a subtlety to both terry o'quinn
00:39:16
and michelle rodriguez's performances that it's like you
00:39:19
don't really, because sometimes it's, it's like almost better
00:39:22
not to know exactly what they're thinking.
00:39:24
Kip: Yeah, right.
00:39:25
Amanda: Like I just find the acting on the show so good and
00:39:28
so like nuanced and subtle, that like it really is kind of like
00:39:34
you're like I don't know what's happening, yeah, and like the
00:39:37
best possible way.
00:39:38
Kip: Exactly Okay.
00:39:41
What, what next?
00:39:44
Amanda: Well, we could talk about how Anna Lucia does get
00:39:46
the gun.
00:39:48
Kip: Yeah, let's talk about muchacha.
00:39:55
Theresa: Thank you, oh, my God.
00:39:58
Amanda: I cannot do that either.
00:39:59
Yeah, she has to roll your R's, which I can never do I can roll
00:40:02
my R.
00:40:03
Kip: All in the back of the throat, the back of the throat,
00:40:07
the back of the throat.
00:40:08
No, it's not the tongue.
00:40:14
Theresa: See like that?
00:40:15
Amanda: Why does that sound like a lawnmower is starting?
00:40:27
Theresa: See, that's the tongue again.
00:40:28
Amanda: Yeah, I can't like it's.
00:40:31
Theresa: Yeah, anyway okay uh, so soyer and annalicia do it,
00:40:35
they done, did it.
00:40:35
They had some jungle sex, you're right it.
00:40:38
Kip: It is kind of shocking it took this long for sex to happen
00:40:41
well, shannon and saeed oh right, right they made love, god
00:40:45
damn you oh sorry okay they did not do the dirty no, they made
00:40:52
love.
00:40:52
This is like full-on and also didn't um didn't jinn and sun
00:40:56
also do it?
00:40:57
Amanda: yes, they also made love and they made love well, yeah,
00:41:01
that's true but yes, this is the first like random hookup, for
00:41:04
lack of a better word.
00:41:05
Kip: Yeah, totally random, but she was playing them.
00:41:08
So yeah, oh yeah, did you guys know that you?
00:41:10
Amanda: guys know that.
00:41:11
Yeah, that was clear to you.
00:41:12
Yeah, I thought so it was.
00:41:14
Theresa: I mean, give me the gun .
00:41:15
No, let's start making out, let's bone.
00:41:17
What else is how, like what else I don't know?
00:41:19
Amanda: they kind of played it at like.
00:41:21
You know, she's frustrated, he won't do it, he's mad at her for
00:41:24
trying to, and then they wrestle, and then it just
00:41:26
happens naturally.
00:41:27
Kip: Well, I mean they glance the camera down right as they're
00:41:31
doing it to the gun.
00:41:32
It's like, okay, if you didn't suspect, that part was maybe a
00:41:35
little bit more hitting the nail on the head a bit.
00:41:38
Amanda: But yeah, no, I mean like I feel literally zero
00:41:41
sympathy for Sawyer in that situation Like.
00:41:46
Kip: I'm entirely fine with Sawyer being played like you
00:41:48
said at the beginning of the episode, it was a fine Sawyer
00:41:50
episode in that he was full on Sawyer, like the charming kind
00:41:55
of doofy, but like also trying to be, but like not super grumpy
00:42:02
or moody like he was.
00:42:04
Amanda: Good this episode he was he really like?
00:42:07
Yeah, like I said, it's fine, because even when um like he's
00:42:11
getting those are those mangoes, what were those mangoes?
00:42:14
Yeah, so he's getting those mangoes and then like whatever,
00:42:18
I think that's fun.
00:42:19
Theresa: I thought they were apples too very shiny, very ripe
00:42:23
mangoes yeah, and they're gonna be so bruised from falling, but
00:42:28
no, they're falling in the water, I guess.
00:42:30
How do you?
00:42:31
Kip: know, I mean we saw it.
00:42:32
But how did he know they wouldn't hit the rocks?
00:42:34
Because there was a lot of rocks there.
00:42:35
Amanda: But I think he just didn't care, yeah, but even just
00:42:43
like him just doing that by himself in the forest and like
00:42:46
everything was so spot on, and like that's funny, even like
00:42:49
when he realized she took it, he wasn't even that mad, no, and
00:42:53
even when jack threw his pages in the fire he was like he
00:42:58
really is, like they are kind of like don't get me wrong like he
00:43:00
shouldn't, that I'll never forgive the racist things or
00:43:03
whatever.
00:43:03
But even when he does end up getting so angry that he poses
00:43:08
big cons on them, they're really lucky he doesn't get more angry
00:43:11
more often like they like through his like.
00:43:14
That was mean, that was just mean who are you, michael,
00:43:18
throwing?
00:43:19
Kip: yeah, the comic comic yeah, that was so unnecessary.
00:43:24
Amanda: So unnecessary.
00:43:26
Kip: Jack was very angry today, but Sawyer was so cute in that
00:43:30
he's like.
00:43:30
You know, it's a manuscript actually about the first and
00:43:35
only person to find out who done it Like it was really funny,
00:43:38
that was funny.
00:43:39
Amanda: He's like I think I have it figured out.
00:43:40
Kip: No, he was very good Go take a walk around the coconut
00:43:44
tree and eat about 10 more minutes.
00:43:46
He was good at this episode, yeah.
00:43:47
Amanda: And like threatening him with a gun and then it coming
00:43:52
out that she has a gun and then locked me.
00:43:54
I have to tell you something, yeah.
00:43:56
Kip: Yeah.
00:43:58
Amanda: This is why we shouldn't keep big things secret because,
00:44:01
then we don't know.
00:44:02
Yeah, right, because now no one has all of the information ever
00:44:06
, right, and someone should have at least most of the
00:44:11
information, because you're all making decisions around here and
00:44:16
it's literally this is what happens, right, yeah?
00:44:18
Kip: Tragedy, tragedy.
00:44:20
But I don't want to get there yet, hurley, are we ready to
00:44:24
talk about?
00:44:25
Hurley, hurley, my heart um, hurley, are we ready to talk
00:44:28
about her early?
00:44:28
My heart like it was just so cute.
00:44:30
Theresa: He's such a cutie, but why the two jars of olives?
00:44:32
Yeah, that made me laugh when you said that, because he
00:44:35
doesn't know what he's doing, and that's the cute thing he's
00:44:37
just like I need everything and then he has a sleeve of crackers
00:44:41
he takes sausage, two jars of olives and one sleeve of
00:44:45
crackers he doesn't know.
00:44:46
Kip: He's never done this before .
00:44:47
He didn't bring blankets or drinks I just mean.
00:44:51
Theresa: It mean you're gonna drink the olive juice.
00:44:53
Clearly that's what the other one's for that'd be good, oh,
00:44:57
briny anyway, briny well yeah right like that oh yeah, it'd be
00:45:06
very briny yeah, no gross but yeah, no, he and saeed, not
00:45:11
saeed oh yeah, he does have an interaction with saeed.
00:45:14
Amanda: There was a lot of character interaction that was a
00:45:16
very cute interaction as well, when he's trying to get the
00:45:18
radio I know and then saeed's telling him how to like where to
00:45:22
go.
00:45:23
I thought that was very sweet.
00:45:24
I think I like that saeed's kind of come back around to you
00:45:25
know, like where to go.
00:45:26
I thought that was very sweet.
00:45:26
I think I like that Say it's kind of come back around to you
00:45:28
know, like this to me, like even like the subtleties to grief on
00:45:33
this show I think are so well done, like say it is not
00:45:36
obviously back to a hundred percent, he's obviously not
00:45:39
going to be like you know, but he's still helpful, he's still
00:45:43
sweet.
00:45:44
He just maybe keeps to himself a bit more right now and does
00:45:47
his own thing and he's not running around playing the hero.
00:45:50
But why would he want to be doing that right now while he's
00:45:52
grieving?
00:45:53
But he's still doing his part and having nice interactions
00:45:59
with people and offering help where he can in little ways, and
00:46:02
it probably was sweet for him to be able to say oh, this is
00:46:05
where I took Shannon, like I just thought that was really
00:46:08
cute.
00:46:08
Kip: He wouldn't have been able to do that.
00:46:09
No, it would have been too raw.
00:46:11
Theresa: What was he digging?
00:46:13
Kip: though.
00:46:13
Theresa: I'm just wondering the same thing the latrine?
00:46:17
Kip: Right there on the beach In the middle.
00:46:19
Theresa: In the middle Desperate times guys, desperate times.
00:46:23
Amanda: You don't even like to go away from the tent in the
00:46:25
middle of the night.
00:46:26
Theresa: Yeah, I have a she-wee.
00:46:27
Amanda: So what do you think about judging Saeed's?
00:46:31
Theresa: beach latrine.
00:46:32
A she-wee, yeah, but I don't do it in the middle of the thing,
00:46:34
I just like wander off a little bit.
00:46:36
Amanda: I know I'm just kidding.
00:46:37
Obviously that's not what it was.
00:46:40
But yeah, store for the winter they're having a pantry.
00:46:45
Kip: Oh, they have a pantry.
00:46:46
This is the cold room oh man, we're just like, yeah, like the
00:46:54
him, him like hurley, talking to him about say anything, and so
00:46:55
you'd be like what the hell is that he's like I don't, he's
00:46:57
like you don't have that in baghdad, so cute and just really
00:47:01
nice.
00:47:01
Amanda: And then they eventually make it to a beach, and that
00:47:05
joke was so funny.
00:47:06
Kip: Well, it's funny because, like I thought, hurley, what?
00:47:10
Like you kind of go through the motions with, with libby being
00:47:14
like we've passed the same tree over and over again, and he's
00:47:17
like no, that's a different tree .
00:47:19
And you're like, oh, hurley, you are lost.
00:47:21
But he's like we're about to come up on a beach, and they do.
00:47:23
You're like, oh, he was right.
00:47:24
And then she's like, no, this're about to come up on a
00:47:25
beach.
00:47:25
And they do, and you're like, oh , he was right.
00:47:26
And then she's like no, this is our beach.
00:47:27
There's Jin.
00:47:27
Amanda: And that's why you're on the knees.
00:47:28
It's like yeah.
00:47:29
Kip: This is this awkward way.
00:47:30
Amanda: Yeah, he's so cute, like , oh, he was lost, and even that
00:47:39
, like then their interaction about how you know little thumbs
00:47:41
up cute it's just, it's very sweet, like it's very clear that
00:47:44
hurley is out of his element but that he's trying so hard and
00:47:48
like what more do you want in life?
00:47:50
like that's all you want in life like no one has it all figured
00:47:53
out, no one has it all perfect, and she knew that and she's
00:47:57
willing to meet him halfway, like oh, it just fucking breaks
00:48:01
my heart they would be such a good couple like.
00:48:03
Theresa: They're so cute together.
00:48:04
What?
00:48:04
Kip: did you think of the look she gives him when he says maybe
00:48:09
if I get drunk enough I'll remember where I know you from?
00:48:11
Do you think she was kind of like oh okay, like that's kind
00:48:17
of a weird thing to say.
00:48:18
Or do you think she was like confused, because it was kind of
00:48:21
an odd look?
00:48:21
I didn't quite know how to read emotional.
00:48:23
Amanda: It looked even like she looked like she was getting kind
00:48:25
of emotional.
00:48:26
Kip: Yeah.
00:48:26
Amanda: Like she doesn't want that, so I just couldn't figure
00:48:29
out.
00:48:29
If it was because she does remember him, so she knows that
00:48:36
like if he remembers where she, he knows her from, he's going to
00:48:41
know that it's from that she was also there or if it's just
00:48:46
like anytime someone kind of says something like I feel like
00:48:51
I know you, she just goes to like a place of like her old
00:48:54
life and her old and having been there and all this, like I
00:48:57
don't know if it was like on the nose or just cause there was
00:49:00
definitely like an emotional nature to it and I don't know.
00:49:04
Like it might not even be anything, it might just be the
00:49:06
writers, producers, wanting to kind of add a little bit of
00:49:08
mystery to like just before she dies, right like I don't know,
00:49:15
maybe, or just hurley being awkward like and well, that's
00:49:16
really not really understanding how to read, but I do remember
00:49:20
thinking like she looks very emotional right now, like she's
00:49:23
having an emotional response to this idea and like she, she like
00:49:29
paused for like a pretty significant period of time.
00:49:32
She's kind of like okay.
00:49:33
Kip: Well, because, like a few minutes ago, hurley said
00:49:36
something about when he was in the hospital, from when I broke
00:49:40
my hip, so clearly like he's not at the point yet where he's
00:49:45
able to tell her.
00:49:46
And so maybe.
00:49:48
But if she recognizes him, she would know he's lying.
00:49:53
Amanda: You know, not him.
00:49:54
Kip: And so like maybe I was all these sort of things coming
00:49:56
together.
00:49:56
I mean like well this is all going to maybe come apart, and
00:49:59
maybe she just doesn't want it to come apart yet, cause she's
00:50:02
just kind of enjoying the fun of it.
00:50:03
Amanda: I think so, maybe a little bit, and just and just
00:50:06
the idea of getting more real too.
00:50:08
Right, like who knows?
00:50:15
But she clearly runs off pretty excited and you know, was I
00:50:16
remember I can't remember who I talked to about this, but I
00:50:20
remember at one point it was like when I was first watching
00:50:23
it, did tyler watch this show?
00:50:26
Probably I wonder he was tyler, because he had such a.
00:50:30
He still does.
00:50:31
Probably he's still with us because I was going to get like
00:50:35
really dark, but he's like a great guy who is still with us
00:50:42
still probably has the same dry sense of humor, but he always
00:50:44
had like a really like dry sense of humor, right, and I know,
00:50:48
and like I can never tell if he was kidding or not about stuff,
00:50:51
and I think it might, so I think it might have been him if he
00:50:53
watches.
00:50:53
But he was like someone was giving me a hard time being like
00:50:56
so like do you think she was going to stand him up?
00:50:59
Like do you think she was going to not come back?
00:51:02
Like and she's like so I guess there was this like idea at some
00:51:05
point that like into it and like she was trying to get away,
00:51:09
but I can't remember if it was just tyler fucking with me, but
00:51:13
I don't.
00:51:13
Kip: But either way, what I like about that if anyone had that.
00:51:17
Amanda: I bring this all up to say what I really like is that
00:51:20
if, for some reason that ever crossed your mind, she's holding
00:51:24
a blanket when she gets shot and I just thought that was like
00:51:29
I mean, it's awful, but it was like she was clearly was rushing
00:51:32
to get back to him and like, oh , it just adds to me that her
00:51:36
holding the blanket just like really adds to that for me.
00:51:42
Kip: Michael, let's back up a bit.
00:51:44
Theresa: Son of a bitch.
00:51:46
Amanda: Can we talk about that for a second, because I'm mad at
00:51:47
him.
00:51:49
Kip: What do you mean Like?
00:51:50
Well, I mean specifically, specifically.
00:51:52
Are you mad at him about?
00:51:53
Theresa: I think we're all mad for the same reason.
00:51:55
Amanda: Same reason, no he said, when they go and find him, and
00:51:57
then he's explaining to them.
00:51:58
Like I know, we know how this show goes.
00:52:01
Kip: But his description of the others doesn't even make sense
00:52:05
for what we know about them so far that's what I was going to
00:52:08
bring up how even kate is looking at him like, or giving
00:52:14
looks like.
00:52:14
What the fuck are you talking?
00:52:16
Amanda: about like really, because she knows the beards are
00:52:18
fake yeah, she knows, the costumes are our costumes, and
00:52:23
so like she knows that they have a more advanced situation than
00:52:30
canvas, tents and tvs and like they know that too.
00:52:34
Kip: Like anna lucia was also there.
00:52:36
She knows that people came in like non-ragged clothes in
00:52:42
everyday, normal clothes, like they're not well, ethan and
00:52:47
goodwin alone exactly, and so like they're not what he's
00:52:50
describing.
00:52:51
But he, yeah, I was like you're not all falling for this, are
00:52:56
you?
00:52:57
Amanda: I was very confused about that because I was like I
00:53:01
do remember at one point when they're walking and they're
00:53:03
walking barefoot and you see the like little stuffed animal.
00:53:06
So I'm like, is there just different sex?
00:53:10
Groups yeah so are we supposed to just assume he's like gone on
00:53:13
to him?
00:53:13
But I just and I know it's always hard to put yourself back
00:53:15
in the position of not knowing, but I just, I found his
00:53:20
recitation of what he found to be so unbelievably unbelievable
00:53:27
yeah, oh, definitely well, and I I thought to lock ike's a
00:53:34
little suspicious of him.
00:53:36
Kip: Yeah, even though he Because he kind of questions
00:53:40
Jack a little bit about it, but then he comes around,
00:53:43
quote-unquote, comes around to agree with Jack I still think
00:53:45
he's kind of suspicious of Michael's description, because,
00:53:52
as they should be, yeah, it makes no sense.
00:53:56
Amanda: It makes no sense.
00:53:57
And then it's, and I think they all are to a degree Like, I
00:54:02
think, even Jack, because he's like any sign of the boat,
00:54:05
because he's like describe this very primitive thing, and then
00:54:07
Jack's reminding him, like, almost like, what about the boat
00:54:10
?
00:54:10
And like they didn't look like that, like they didn't like
00:54:14
everything we've seen of the others and everything, more
00:54:19
importantly, the characters living and have seen of the
00:54:22
others suggests there is some level of sophistication to their
00:54:28
operation well, and all they like kate was with claire claire
00:54:33
when she's remembering that they had a full-on medical
00:54:36
operation going.
00:54:38
Kip: Yeah, like scrubs and doctors, white coats and like a
00:54:45
full-on operation room.
00:54:46
Amanda: Like kate was there when claire remembers this, so she
00:54:50
knows that they're more than just yeah, this like raggedy
00:54:54
group, primitive, primitive people so I wonder if, like,
00:54:57
that's kind of why he brings up this hatch idea, because, yeah,
00:55:00
michael also knows that they know it's more sophisticated
00:55:02
because he's been in their hatch .
00:55:04
Yeah, so I wonder if it was like he's like just trying to
00:55:07
convince them that there's a part of it that's not very
00:55:11
sophisticated so they can feel confident in going after them
00:55:14
and then kind of being like, oh, yeah, yeah, but all that, like
00:55:16
there's a hatch, so like that's where the kids must be, and like
00:55:18
anything that's not being filled in by my storytelling is
00:55:22
probably like also there, like, but it's just, I remember.
00:55:26
I remember very distinctly obviously now, but I do remember
00:55:30
very distinctly even the first time, kind of being like that's
00:55:35
like, that's not what ethan and like goodwin looks like.
00:55:38
Yeah, they were like put together exactly they weren't
00:55:42
like ragged, like living off dried fish or like however he
00:55:46
described it's like.
00:55:47
This does not sit right and I I was.
00:55:49
Yes, I do feel like they were skeptical.
00:55:51
I don't think they were skeptical enough.
00:55:53
Kip: No, I don't think so either .
00:55:54
I agree too with you, teresa, when you said, like how he
00:55:59
brings up, most of them are women.
00:56:02
Theresa: Like what does that mean?
00:56:04
Kip: Like that was so stupid.
00:56:06
Theresa: It's so rude, yeah, like they could kick his ass.
00:56:09
Women can kick his ass any day.
00:56:11
Kip: Yeah.
00:56:11
Amanda: I am convinced that Sun, Kate and Annalusia could run
00:56:16
this entire operation without a single man, Absolutely 100%.
00:56:20
Kip: We've seen how.
00:56:22
Jack and Locke run things and it is chaotic.
00:56:26
Amanda: Yeah, the only thing they're missing is a doctor, and
00:56:29
Sun can do some of it as like an assistant and Libby's got
00:56:32
some and Libby's got some, and Libby's got some.
00:56:34
Kip: She can crack those bones back and you know like what the
00:56:37
hell, Michael?
00:56:39
Amanda: Most of them are women.
00:56:40
Kip: Yeah.
00:56:40
Amanda: We could take them.
00:56:42
Kip: Like first of all also, by the way, that's kind of gross,
00:56:44
so sexist.
00:56:45
Amanda: Like it's sexist, but then also you're like, okay,
00:56:53
they're really weak, so let's attack.
00:56:54
There's really no way you look at this where Michael comes
00:56:55
across even remotely redeemable no and.
00:56:57
I'm talking about just that conversation, just that
00:57:01
conversation.
00:57:02
Kip: He's a mess.
00:57:03
He is a mess, all right, guys, have we?
00:57:05
Sufficiently talked around what we need to talk about.
00:57:07
We've all not wanted to get where we wanted to go, but I'll
00:57:10
start it with this, okay.
00:57:11
So Anna Lucia goes in to talk to Fenry.
00:57:14
I was so mad at what Fenry says , like Goodwin.
00:57:24
When he brings up Goodwin saying he talked about you and
00:57:30
thought you could come around and and you know, you killed him
00:57:34
, and I'm thinking, yeah, but Goodwin killed that other guy.
00:57:39
Theresa: And how many other people did they kill?
00:57:41
Kip: Like oh, he's just so manipulative and it just like
00:57:44
drove me crazy, cause if you start questioning it you're like
00:57:47
oh my.
00:57:48
Theresa: God.
00:57:48
Kip: Like yeah, and Lucia like wow.
00:57:50
My god like yeah, and lucia like wow, he's kind of right.
00:57:51
Amanda: But you're like no he's not right like and I know we're
00:57:54
talking about the end scene now but even cutting back to that
00:57:56
scene where he does attack her and he's saying you took these
00:58:00
two men like lives that were just leaving you alone, or what
00:58:04
the fuck, in what universe?
00:58:05
Was anyone leaving the taileys alone?
00:58:09
Theresa: yeah, yeah no, like they were, but same thing in my
00:58:12
mind.
00:58:13
Amanda: I was like what was good one doing to her before?
00:58:17
Yeah, because he is like at this point, fenry is not only
00:58:20
manipulating the characters within the show there, he's
00:58:22
manipulating the audience absolutely very convincingly too
00:58:26
, yeah and so that was just like I was like, oh, my god, he, my
00:58:29
God, he's just, oh, he's just so bad but good, but then so,
00:58:33
anyway.
00:58:34
Kip: So she has this moment and doesn't kill him.
00:58:37
We find out.
00:58:38
I will say that the amount of thuds in the episode you think
00:58:43
it's over, and I remember Teresa being like, oh, we're still
00:58:46
going, like you're thinking it was over.
00:58:47
It felt long and then, uniquely , they didn't actually do it.
00:58:50
At the end, it was completely silent when the last word came
00:58:53
up.
00:58:53
Amanda: Oh, I didn't even notice Me neither Probably because we
00:58:57
had just heard a gunshot.
00:58:58
Yeah, yeah.
00:59:00
Kip: Yeah, so okay Well.
00:59:07
Amanda: So anyway, they're having the conversation and she
00:59:10
pulls the gun up and then decides I guess we cut the block
00:59:12
and we come across a michael and and lucia conversation yeah,
00:59:15
and he's all like oh, you have one of those guys.
00:59:18
Kip: Oh crazy, why didn't anybody tell me it's like you
00:59:20
clearly?
00:59:21
Know what's going on you, son of a bitch you know, and then
00:59:23
this whole, they're evil.
00:59:25
Amanda: They took my.
00:59:26
Oh, it was so let me do it like like what did you think theres
00:59:30
someone who didn't remember what ?
00:59:31
Because I, like I said I remember she's on that couch and
00:59:38
the first time I saw that couch I was like that's the couch
00:59:42
Anna Lucia is going to die on.
00:59:44
Kip: Yeah.
00:59:44
Theresa: I'll tell you what I thought.
00:59:46
Amanda: I mean expand on.
00:59:48
Theresa: I thought Michael needs to rest.
00:59:50
I thought Michael, I don't think you can kill him.
00:59:53
Have you ever killed anyone?
00:59:55
It's not that easy?
00:59:56
yeah, I remember yeah well, he's proven that wrong that's
01:00:00
literally what I was thinking.
01:00:01
I was like michael, honestly, you've been through a trauma you
01:00:04
were unconscious.
01:00:05
You need to sit down, you need to lie down, you need to recover
01:00:08
so that you guys can go get your boy so at no point, before
01:00:13
he actually pulls the trigger on annalusia, did I think he was
01:00:16
gonna?
01:00:16
Did you think he was gonna pull the?
01:00:17
Kip: okay, I believe that, because of the reaction that we
01:00:20
witnessed, I believe it too, but again it's hard to put yourself
01:00:23
back there.
01:00:23
Amanda: Like did you believe michael was going to go and kill
01:00:27
fenry?
01:00:28
Theresa: I thought.
01:00:29
Amanda: I thought he was gonna try, yeah, and that he was gonna
01:00:31
fail yeah, and that you just thought it was like born of this
01:00:34
revenge that he has for walt.
01:00:35
Still, yeah, yeah, that's good that, I think.
01:00:39
Theresa: By the way, good job, carlton q, stay millennial off
01:00:41
and the writers of the specific episode, because clearly that's
01:00:43
what they were hoping and it works it 100, I literally was
01:00:48
like he's not gonna kill him, he's gonna try, but he's gonna
01:00:51
realize that he's not a killer and that he wouldn't want his
01:00:54
boy to see him as the kind of man who kills someone.
01:00:57
Oh Jesus, that's what I was thinking, yeah.
01:01:00
So when he was like I'm sorry, I'm like well, what's he sorry
01:01:02
for?
01:01:03
Yeah, and then he shot her and I was like, excuse me.
01:01:08
Kip: Yeah, I liked that build up , like when he said I'm sorry.
01:01:12
I was looking at that they actually go to Ana Lucia saying
01:01:18
like for what?
01:01:19
And I just liked how it wasn't just this like.
01:01:22
Amanda: I'm sorry, boom.
01:01:23
Kip: Yeah, exactly Like it, just amped it up even further.
01:01:27
Amanda: Yeah.
01:01:29
Kip: Drew it out, really yeah.
01:01:31
Amanda: And I did feel like, so I agree, like that I felt that
01:01:36
everything you described and I believe that that's what they
01:01:39
meant to do and I believe that it was successful and I think I
01:01:42
agree that like there was like I know we don't like michael and
01:01:46
harold perrineau or whatever you know, I find him to be a fine
01:01:51
actor, great, good actor, um, but I do find in scenes like
01:01:55
that he's very good.
01:01:56
Like I did feel his panic and I did feel his anguish when he's
01:02:02
like kind of looking at the gun and then it's like I'm sorry,
01:02:06
and then there is that beat long enough for her to be able to
01:02:08
ask for what.
01:02:09
I think it's because, again, he's still hesitating, right,
01:02:12
like he is struggling.
01:02:13
It doesn't make it forgivable in any way, but at least we know
01:02:17
I don't know there's that anguish there.
01:02:20
Kip: I guess like there's a part of me that thought it would be
01:02:23
easier for michael to pull that stuff off and it clearly isn't
01:02:27
easy for him yeah, I think you, you feel the panic for sure yeah
01:02:33
um, especially when libby walks in and she says michael, and
01:02:38
it's almost like, well, clearly it wasn't planned, but like just
01:02:44
this, like panic shot, like he didn't even really know he was
01:02:47
doing it no, and it's just like fuck yeah, because he shot her
01:02:51
twice right no, he shot, I think , just once and lucia twice.
01:02:56
No, he shot on lucy once I thought he shot them both only
01:03:00
once, but I could be I think he shot her twice.
01:03:02
Theresa: I saw two holes oh, it could be and I remember thinking
01:03:06
probably just like panic trigger finger.
01:03:10
You're just like kab, kabang, kabang.
01:03:12
Yeah.
01:03:14
Kip: Yeah, yeah.
01:03:16
And then opens up the vault to find Fenry.
01:03:20
Amanda: And then shoots himself.
01:03:22
Kip: Yeah.
01:03:22
Well, he's got to make it convincing.
01:03:25
So what do you think?
01:03:26
He's fucked up.
01:03:27
What do you think happens next?
01:03:30
Teresa?
01:03:37
Theresa: think happens next?
01:03:38
Teresa, I'm gonna assume that what happens next is that, yeah,
01:03:40
they're all gonna come back and they'd be like what happened?
01:03:42
And he's gonna be like oh, fenry got, got out and took the
01:03:44
gun from blah, blah, blah and shot us all.
01:03:47
And then they're gonna be like we, we gotta get a revenge.
01:03:51
Like let's go, let's get the guns, let's go to the.
01:03:52
Like we got to get our revenge.
01:03:53
Like let's go, let's get the guns, let's go to the border,
01:03:55
let's go to wherever these tents are that you're talking about,
01:03:59
and like let's get our revenge, let's get your boy back, let's
01:04:02
be done with this other's bullshit.
01:04:05
Kip: Yeah, I mean, that's basically what happens, is it?
01:04:08
Amanda: Like for yeah.
01:04:14
Kip: The gist of it for the next , like couple episodes.
01:04:15
Okay, it doesn't necessarily obviously more things happen.
01:04:16
But like, okay, yeah, you're, you're right in that in terms of
01:04:18
like what michael's kind of plan was there to make it look
01:04:21
like fenry got them?
01:04:24
Theresa: so they let fenry go, or like he lets fenry go then
01:04:30
yeah that's fucking dumb.
01:04:32
That's just like just the most half-baked idea.
01:04:37
Amanda: Like I just cannot with michael well, and it's funny too
01:04:40
, because you kind of get a little bit of a foreshadowing,
01:04:46
jokey kind of moment where, um, jack and lock are talking about
01:04:52
the whole, you know, letting michael go maybe they're
01:04:56
supposed to let fennery go and jack's like what are they?
01:04:58
Are the others operating on the honor system now?
01:05:01
And it's like kind of like what's the long-term plan here
01:05:04
for michael?
01:05:04
Like how is he going to pardon me, ensure that he actually gets
01:05:09
w Walt back if he's just going around doing all this stuff?
01:05:12
Right, but like he's just so desperate at this point, yeah,
01:05:16
that he'll do anything well, like I'm wondering what happened
01:05:19
, like how long has Michael been gone?
01:05:22
Kip: well, he was out of it for eight episodes how many days,
01:05:26
figured it?
01:05:27
Amanda: oh no, we did that for Claire it was maybe like 10 days
01:05:30
10 or 11 days, like what happened in that.
01:05:32
Theresa: 10 or 11 days Like nothing.
01:05:33
Well, you'll find out, you'll find out.
01:05:35
Kip: You'll find out.
01:05:36
Amanda: Yeah, you'll get one more, at least one more, michael
01:05:41
moment.
01:05:41
Kip: Well, there's.
01:05:43
Amanda: You get another flashback with him, though,
01:05:44
don't you One?
01:05:44
Theresa: more Michael moment.
01:05:45
What does that mean?
01:05:56
Amanda: He has time to redeem himself from what I only can
01:05:57
assume is the biggest hole of negative points that in the
01:05:58
history of let's get lost.
01:05:59
But he's in more episodes like he's not done.
01:06:01
No, yeah, no, I know he's not done, but likecoat that one,
01:06:18
well, I mean it depends like more bad.
01:06:19
It depends on you like.
01:06:21
Is there anything worse than killing two innocent people?
01:06:23
I don't know.
01:06:24
Is he responsible for more mayhem to our beloved castaways?
01:06:30
Kip: absolutely okay, so like for real, it's over like I know
01:06:37
the episode's end.
01:06:38
It's like shocking.
01:06:38
It's like so shocking it's so shocking.
01:06:41
Amanda: I was telling this to a friend of mine who only knows
01:06:43
what happens on this show because of our podcast, and I
01:06:47
said I'm like I can't even like tell you it, like it just doesn
01:06:51
doesn't it?
01:06:52
It's just, it was very different.
01:06:54
It literally did flip the script, cause you're just like
01:06:57
at this point, like we had lost Boone, we had lost Shannon.
01:07:01
It's not like we're not we're not immune to loss on this show,
01:07:05
but nothing has been so fucking chaotic and so like senseless
01:07:11
for a lack of.
01:07:12
Kip: Well, can we talk about that for a second?
01:07:14
Like, because I find it really like going into the research for
01:07:19
this episode and and throughout this us doing this podcast,
01:07:23
like learning things and learning that why libby was
01:07:29
killed was a dramatic choice because they didn't think Anna
01:07:35
Lucia's death would be very impactful.
01:07:38
I just I find that actually like really.
01:07:43
I mean, I get it the creators of the show.
01:07:45
They're free to do what they will in terms of creative
01:07:49
decisions and everything.
01:07:50
But I just, oh, I don't know that doesn't really sit that
01:07:53
well with me because, like, they even go on to say they had a
01:07:58
broader plan for libby and that just gets tossed out the window
01:08:03
and it's like you know what?
01:08:04
Amanda: we don't sorry, we need, we need people to be more
01:08:08
shocked, so your character is going to be dead well, and I'm
01:08:11
sorry, but that is why I have a hard time believing that the
01:08:13
other reasons didn't like play somewhat of a role and I know
01:08:16
they say they don't, but like you're telling me, like, because
01:08:21
there's also other people they could have done that with.
01:08:23
But I understand also they probably didn't want to lose a
01:08:25
major character.
01:08:26
So, yeah, I think it was a like , a bit of a catch-22, in the
01:08:31
sense they're like they had more plans for her but also they
01:08:33
hadn't really done much with her .
01:08:35
So it's not like they were going to lose a central
01:08:37
character plot point, but she did draw on people's emotions
01:08:42
because their relationship with Hurley Because they, they, they
01:08:45
go on to say things like they felt really bad.
01:08:48
Kip: So they helped her get on like this pilot for a new show
01:08:51
as an actress, cause they felt bad, that they were basically
01:08:54
like she was going to not have a job anymore.
01:08:56
Yeah.
01:08:57
Theresa: So it's like a sacrifice at that point.
01:08:58
Kip: Yeah, so they helped her get on the show, but the show
01:09:00
didn't get picked up and then, like she didn't come back for
01:09:02
they wanted her to come back for a few different flashback
01:09:05
episodes, but she didn't want to Cause she and like
01:09:08
understandably so.
01:09:09
And they're like, yeah, we get it, that's fine.
01:09:10
She did come back a few times but like it's just like oh, I
01:09:13
don't know, I get it.
01:09:15
You got to make hard choices when you're making a show like
01:09:17
this, but it's just like yeah, that just doesn't really I don't
01:09:20
like no, no.
01:09:27
Amanda: And and.
01:09:28
But I do think it was, even if, like, this isn't a show, it's
01:09:32
not formulaic.
01:09:32
We're not going to kill off a main character every season
01:09:34
finale.
01:09:35
We're going to kill characters off halfway through season one
01:09:39
and a couple episodes into season two and oh, by the way,
01:09:42
we're going to kill them within.
01:09:43
You think it's crazy that you got DUIs within 15 minutes of
01:09:48
each other.
01:09:48
You're about to die within 30 seconds of each other, unrelated
01:09:52
, obviously, but the the idea being like oh, we just killed
01:09:55
one, we'll kill another one, right?
01:09:57
Kip: and it's not even the season finale.
01:09:59
No, there's still four episodes left.
01:10:01
Amanda: What that's insane yeah, I mean the finale, two-part
01:10:05
finale, but like geez, like.
01:10:07
We're not even like the penultimate episode of the
01:10:10
season like it's wild it really meant, like it really, and
01:10:14
that's another reason why the show is so fricking good,
01:10:17
because it's like another, that's what happens right.
01:10:20
It's like it's not just at the time on TV, it was very not like
01:10:23
everything happened like this, but there was a lot of like big
01:10:27
major plot, character development, cliffhanger issues
01:10:31
happened at the mid-season finale, happened at the season
01:10:34
finale, happened in the season premier is like.
01:10:36
This show was like no, we'll do what we want when we want.
01:10:40
Yeah, and there no one can tell us otherwise yeah right and it
01:10:44
was like pretty compelling because you literally didn't
01:10:46
know it worked what you were going to get, and that is why it
01:10:49
became such a water cooler show , right Cause it's like totally
01:10:53
you did not want to miss an episode.
01:10:56
Kip: I mean, to me this is like akin to the red wedding from
01:10:59
game of thrones, like it was just so shocking, yeah, and like
01:11:03
so to me one of the, if not the most shocking moments of the
01:11:09
show like there.
01:11:09
There are more shocking moments of the show like there.
01:11:14
There are more shocking moments that are like holy shit, but
01:11:16
this was just like you got three in a row, so freaking fast.
01:11:17
Amanda: And yeah, that idea that like, okay, annalicia died.
01:11:19
And it's like oh fuck yeah and then you're not even recovered
01:11:25
and then libby dies and then you're like trying to be like
01:11:27
what the hell did he do and what's his plan?
01:11:29
And and what I think freaks me out so much about that is like
01:11:33
we the analyst, the thing was clearly calculated, the Libby
01:11:36
thing was clearly a huge mistake , and then you see the panic,
01:11:40
but he's able to spite that panic, to bring himself back to
01:11:43
the plan and shoot himself in the shoulder, like he is, like
01:11:47
there is no stopping this man at this point, exactly Like if
01:11:54
that didn't, yeah, he's completely lost break him out of
01:11:55
it for enough to at least fuck up after and like not be able to
01:11:58
follow through with the rest of it.
01:12:00
He's still able to like calculated moves like he's
01:12:03
responsible for it's.
01:12:05
Theresa: It's fucked like michael is like a villain at
01:12:09
this point, like he has turned into a villain at this point,
01:12:11
like he has turned into a villain what I've been saying
01:12:13
all along.
01:12:15
Amanda: Like he is.
01:12:15
He is the bad guy.
01:12:17
Theresa: Yes, Exactly, fenry.
01:12:19
Fenry is also a bad guy.
01:12:20
Kip: Yeah, he's also a bad guy, but Michael has taken a spot for
01:12:24
sure.
01:12:25
Amanda: Fenry's at least.
01:12:26
Okay, fucking entertaining, yes .
01:12:30
Kip: Are we ready?
01:12:30
Speaking of spots, should we get into the rankings?
01:12:33
Yes let's see, I assume.
01:12:35
Amanda: Michael's a top.
01:12:39
Theresa: I think for this one, just for fun, we're gonna go
01:12:43
first to last, because the rankings have not changed really
01:12:49
.
01:12:49
Hurley is still in number one with 1830.
01:12:52
Sun at number two 1630.
01:12:56
Saeed 1555.
01:12:58
Locke 1545.
01:12:59
Echo 1295.
01:13:02
Jin 1250.
01:13:04
Claire 780.
01:13:05
Sawyer 775.
01:13:07
Jack 600.
01:13:10
Libby jack 600.
01:13:11
Libby ends with 455.
01:13:13
Walt 240, dez 60.
01:13:17
Kate 25.
01:13:18
Anna lucia breaks into the positives with 70 and her last
01:13:23
time on this ranking, charlie negative 666, oh my god,
01:13:29
negative 660.
01:13:31
And Michael rounds out the top the 16 at negative 3.
01:13:41
Amanda: I'm sorry, can we just get that one more time?
01:13:44
Theresa: Michael is at number 16 with negative 3.
01:13:51
Amanda: Can we Kate?
01:13:51
So spoiler alert, but not really.
01:13:54
It's been a 20 years michael's not lasting to the end of this
01:13:58
series.
01:13:58
I think we all know that we won't say how he leaves, but I
01:14:01
don't think anyone's like, oh, this character is gonna be warm
01:14:03
and fuzzy till season six, when michael is no longer a character
01:14:06
.
01:14:06
Can you just always include him so that I can see how far like
01:14:14
long it takes someone to even remotely get close to like?
01:14:17
Kip: I want him to be like our guide post what I'm concerned
01:14:20
about is when I try to visualize these rankings yeah, that might
01:14:26
be so far down.
01:14:27
We're gonna need like an eight and a half by 17 sheet michael
01:14:31
is no longer trackable on the weekly rankings I do have a
01:14:35
question yes I, so we watched this together.
01:14:39
And when, when jack tosses that manuscript in the fire, I saw
01:14:45
theresa whip out that pen and change her rankings.
01:14:48
I want to know how many points jack lost for that.
01:14:50
Theresa: I think 50, okay, yeah nothing.
01:14:52
Amanda: I think it should have been more than that.
01:14:53
Nothing too crazy.
01:14:54
I know they're not up for debate, but I'm just saying that
01:14:56
was rude, it was rude, it was rude.
01:14:59
And again, what is with these men?
01:15:00
There's so little reading materials available.
01:15:06
Theresa: Don't throw out the ones you have.
01:15:07
Amanda: Well, exactly that could be an Academy Award winning
01:15:09
movie one day.
01:15:10
What's it called?
01:15:11
Like Bad Bunny or something?
01:15:13
Theresa: Bad Twin.
01:15:14
Amanda: Oh right, Bad Bunny.
01:15:17
Theresa: You're thinking of the rapper, or whatever.
01:15:18
Kip: Yeah, I think so, oh man.
01:15:19
Theresa: Well, good.
01:15:22
Kip: I was not sure what to expect with Michael but, you did
01:15:25
not disappoint me.
01:15:26
Amanda: Oh, thank you, that was very well worth it All right,
01:15:30
well, on that.
01:15:31
So what?
01:15:31
What did you find?
01:15:32
I mean, I'm sure this isn't hard to imagine, but what is
01:15:35
your best and worst character from?
01:15:37
Kip: Oh, you know what I didn't do my rankings because we were
01:15:41
watching it live and I didn't prepare for that.
01:15:42
Um, but I can wing it.
01:15:44
Least valuable player, Michael, most valuable player, I'm going
01:15:51
to say.
01:15:52
I'm going to say Anna Lucia.
01:15:56
I think it was a good episode for Anna Lucia and I like that
01:16:00
she ended in the positives for you, Teresa.
01:16:02
I think that's a good send-off.
01:16:06
Amanda: Yeah, that was moving my mind too as well.
01:16:07
All right, but what did we think of the episode overall?
01:16:10
Theresa: Teresa 9.1.
01:16:12
Wow, nice, that was terrifying.
01:16:16
I got all the cute moments and, honestly, did not expect that
01:16:20
ending, despite having seen the show once before through.
01:16:28
I think that they did a really good job of kind of keeping that
01:16:33
not even in your like mind.
01:16:34
Um, so much so that even before it happened, I didn't believe
01:16:37
that he would even kill anybody, let alone people he, you know,
01:16:42
traveled with.
01:16:43
Um.
01:16:44
I think it's a great episode.
01:16:46
Start to finish, um, yeah, just 9.1.
01:16:51
Kip: Loved it you want me to go?
01:16:54
yeah, okay, I'm giving it a 9.8, oh I think it is so good and
01:17:02
like I've seen it at least half a dozen times, probably more,
01:17:07
because it's second season and that those three shots at the
01:17:13
end still get me each time and it's just so, just so well built
01:17:19
up.
01:17:19
I I know it's coming, but it just still just gets me and
01:17:22
everything, everything, like we had almost all the characters in
01:17:25
this episode.
01:17:25
Not I know we missed a few, but we had almost all of them and
01:17:28
they were all in like, really good form for their characters.
01:17:32
So I think it was a really good , really good episode, one of my
01:17:35
favorites, for sure hustle guys .
01:17:39
Amanda: I think I have to give it a 10.
01:17:41
Wow, nice.
01:17:42
Because when I think of lost, inevitably I think of this
01:17:48
episode, like truly like.
01:17:50
I think about how I remember so vividly.
01:17:53
Like I said, there is something about that couch that she's on.
01:17:56
I always remember that scene and being like what is happening
01:18:02
, like it to me it is like quiz essential lost.
01:18:06
Like you, you don't know what's going on.
01:18:09
It's it's it's subversive, it's it's it's it's subversive, it's
01:18:12
it's confusing, it's confounding , it's emotional, it's leaves
01:18:17
you like just wondering what the heck's gonna happen next, like
01:18:20
it's all the things you want about it.
01:18:21
And like kip was saying, it's every character that we do see
01:18:24
we're missing son charlie claire , but like that's fine.
01:18:28
Um, every character you see is in like their peak place, like
01:18:33
and and at the top of like what we think of when we think of
01:18:37
them, even when it's a negative, like Locke is still like being
01:18:41
manipulated into thinking he's special, right, like it's just
01:18:44
it's everything we've come to love about, and then it's just
01:18:47
so emotional and sad.
01:18:48
So I really do think it's one of the most perfect episodes of
01:18:51
the show, and that goes to show you too, it doesn't have to be
01:18:56
like Anna Lucie is not my favorite character like this
01:18:59
show can wreck you emotionally, no matter what kind of is going
01:19:03
on, because of the storytelling and the acting.
01:19:05
So it's not, you know, necessarily going to be what
01:19:08
people talk about the most, but that scene in particular is very
01:19:11
iconic and it just shows you that, like, at any point, don't
01:19:16
count anyone out, don't count anyone in.
01:19:18
Like just take these people for what they are, as you're
01:19:22
experiencing this with them, and like it's going to move.
01:19:27
Kip: you Couldn't have said it better.
01:19:31
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