Let's Get Lost 39 - Season 2: The Whole Truth

[Kip] (0:11 - 0:22)
We're three best friends, and we love Lost, and we love talking, but even more so, we love talking about Lost, so join us for some laughs, some conversation, and Let's Get Lost together.

[Amanda] (0:26 - 0:31)
Hello, everybody, and welcome back to this week's episode of Let's Get Lost.

[Kip] (0:31 - 0:33)
Amanda and I just touched feet.

[Amanda] (0:33 - 0:55)
We touched feet. Of course. It was weird.

I feel left out. Well, you're too far away to touch feet. Touch my feet.

Well, welcome, everyone, to this week's episode of Let's Get Lost. I'm Amanda. I'm here with my foot-touching colleague, Kip.

[Kip] (0:55 - 0:56)
Hello.

[Amanda] (0:56 - 1:01)
And Teresa, who looks left out that she did not touch a foot.

[Kip] (1:02 - 1:05)
No foot-touching. I don't want to touch feet.

[Amanda] (1:05 - 1:09)
Anyway, thanks for being here, everyone, despite how awkward we are.

[Kip] (1:10 - 1:10)
Very awkward.

[Amanda] (1:11 - 1:12)
How's everyone doing this week?

[Kip] (1:13 - 1:17)
I'm doing very well. I don't know why I said it like that.

[Amanda] (1:17 - 1:19)
Very well. New twine.

[Kip] (1:19 - 1:23)
New twine. It's because we saw a concert on the weekend. Yes.

[Amanda] (1:23 - 1:24)
We did. We went and saw Brett Kissel.

[Kip] (1:24 - 1:25)
Our favorite country singer.

[Amanda] (1:25 - 1:31)
If you were to see us at a Brett Kissel concert, you would think we were, like, the biggest country fans in the world.

[Kip] (1:31 - 1:35)
We are. We are. We are very into it.

And now I want to grow a mullet because of the concert on Saturday.

[Amanda] (1:35 - 1:36)
Who had a mullet?

[Kip] (1:36 - 1:37)
Many people.

[Amanda] (1:37 - 1:40)
Many people. But not anyone of importance. Importance?

[Kip] (1:41 - 1:41)
Well.

[Amanda] (1:41 - 1:43)
It's not like Brett Kissel. Like, I want to make it clear.

[Kip] (1:43 - 1:45)
No. Brett Kissel does not have a mullet. No, but now I want one.

[Amanda] (1:45 - 1:46)
That's fair. That's fair.

[Kip] (1:46 - 1:49)
Actually, nobody on stage had a mullet. Just people in the crowd.

[Amanda] (1:49 - 1:50)
That's actually really important to note.

[Kip] (1:50 - 1:50)
Mm-hmm.

[Amanda] (1:51 - 2:10)
Mm-hmm. You knew we were, like, there were some hints that we were not there for the country aspect when the more country it got, the more shut down we became. And our friend who was with us, who is not as big a Brett Kissel fan, got really excited when they would play country covers that we didn't know at all.

[Kip] (2:10 - 2:13)
I only didn't know one of the country covers.

[Amanda] (2:13 - 2:14)
That's true.

[Kip] (2:14 - 2:15)
The Trisha Yearwood one I didn't know.

[Amanda] (2:16 - 2:16)
Yeah.

[Kip] (2:16 - 2:21)
Mm-hmm. When he did Reba. Ooh, that was good.

Yeah, so good. And good singing.

[Amanda] (2:21 - 2:22)
So good, yes.

[Kip] (2:23 - 2:23)
Anyway.

[Amanda] (2:23 - 2:27)
I'll be honest with you. When we're done with Let's Get Lost, this may become a Brett Kissel fan podcast.

[Kip] (2:28 - 2:29)
Oh, I'm in. I would love that.

[Amanda] (2:29 - 2:31)
He was nominated for a Juno today, no big deal.

[Kip] (2:31 - 2:32)
Yeah, super exciting.

[Amanda] (2:32 - 2:44)
Is it weird to think that Amanda and I were at the Junos where he won his first Juno? We were. That's so cool.

We did not know who he was at the time. We were like, good for you, unknown man. Yeah, we were just kind of clapping.

[Kip] (2:44 - 2:44)
For sure.

[Amanda] (2:45 - 2:45)
But it was cool.

[Kip] (2:45 - 2:46)
That's really neat.

[Amanda] (2:46 - 3:14)
Anyway, that's what we did. And now we're huge fans. Trisha, what's this week's episode of Let's Get Lost focused on?

Today, we're talking about The Whole Truth, episode 16 of season two. Written by Elizabeth Sarnoff and Christina M. Kim.

Directed by Karen Gaviola. Sun wrestles with the idea of telling Jin a newfound secret that threatens to upset the entire balance of the survivor's community. Locke enlists Ana Lucia to interrogate the prisoner in order to extract more information than he, Jack, or Saeed could.

[Kip] (3:14 - 3:18)
That's it? Yeah. Oh, that was surprisingly short for the DVD synopses.

[Amanda] (3:19 - 3:21)
That's true. Well, not a lot actually happens in this episode.

[Kip] (3:22 - 3:22)
No, it is.

[Amanda] (3:22 - 3:23)
When you think about it.

[Kip] (3:23 - 3:24)
It is kind of like a setup episode.

[Amanda] (3:24 - 3:24)
Yeah.

[Kip] (3:26 - 3:43)
But, yeah, okay. All right. So, before we get into that, I'm going to do my thing here.

IMDb, 8.1 out of 10. We're down 1.13 million viewers from last week to 15.3 million. So, we're still declining.

Sawyer's nickname count for, do we remember any of them?

[Amanda] (3:43 - 3:44)
Daddy-O.

[Kip] (3:44 - 3:45)
He has Daddy-O.

[Amanda] (3:45 - 3:45)
Sunshine.

[Kip] (3:46 - 3:46)
Sunshine.

[Amanda] (3:46 - 3:48)
That's all I remember. Sunshine, that's it.

[Kip] (3:48 - 3:55)
Papa-San, and Suzy, whom he calls Bernard for some reason, and I do not understand that one at all.

[Amanda] (3:55 - 3:57)
Me neither. I don't get that.

[Kip] (3:57 - 4:03)
No. Okay. So, and we're at days 60 to 61 on the island.

All right. You ready for trivia?

[Amanda] (4:03 - 4:03)
Okay.

[Kip] (4:04 - 4:09)
Which line delivered by Michael Emerson cinched his fate as a series regular?

[Amanda] (4:09 - 4:17)
Sananghaeyo. Oh, cool sound. I hope I said that right.

I don't know. I am not sure. I'm just trying to learn Korean.

You guys got any milk?

[Kip] (4:17 - 4:22)
Yep. That's the one. It was after he delivered that line that Prooders was like, hey, we need to keep this guy.

[Amanda] (4:23 - 4:25)
It was a good line. He's so good, isn't it?

[Kip] (4:25 - 4:26)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[Amanda] (4:26 - 4:28)
He's so good.

[Kip] (4:28 - 4:39)
All right. Question two. Is the band Geronimo Jackson, the album Locke is looking at, real or fake?

Real. Incorrect.

[Amanda] (4:39 - 4:42)
Sananghaeyo. There's only one other answer.

[Kip] (4:43 - 4:59)
They are fake. However, for years, they tried to present it as a real, just super obscure band from the 70s. And it wasn't until, I think, four years later that one of the writers came clean in an interview and said, no, they made up the band and hired a band in LA to record the songs.

[Amanda] (4:59 - 5:02)
Why would they want to make it seem real? Yeah, I don't get that.

[Kip] (5:02 - 5:52)
Well, it was part of their weird... Well, it wasn't weird, but their... I don't know if you remember, Lost had all these crazy websites.

They had all these crazy actual fake things that were part of the show that you could go to that they made to look real, like the Oceanic website. They had radio stations that were played. They had this whole weird...

I forget what it was called, but it was almost like an alternate TV show of just things from the world of Lost that they tried to make seem real. And it was just... All this marketing, I guess, is really what it was.

But it was just hilarious that they... Okay. Last question.

Bernard forgets Rose's birthday in this episode. According to Lostpedia, how many other characters have on-island birthdays? And bonus points if you can...

[Amanda] (5:52 - 5:57)
I have a feeling... I have this like... I think it's three.

[Kip] (5:57 - 5:58)
Okay.

[Amanda] (5:58 - 6:07)
And I remember... I have this vague memory of someone being like, it's my birthday today. When they're upset about something.

I mean, do we count Aaron as having a birthday?

[Kip] (6:07 - 6:09)
No, not including Aaron.

[Amanda] (6:09 - 6:11)
I think Sawyer has a birthday on the island.

[Kip] (6:12 - 6:12)
Okay.

[Amanda] (6:12 - 6:16)
That's the only one I can actually remember though. So if Theresa knows more. No, I don't.

[Kip] (6:16 - 6:18)
Okay. Well, according to Lostpedia, you're incorrect.

[Amanda] (6:19 - 6:19)
Okay.

[Kip] (6:20 - 6:28)
They say there's only two other people or characters. One's Claire and the other one is a character who has not yet been named.

[Amanda] (6:28 - 6:30)
Okay. So I think it's Claire that I remember her being like, it's my birthday.

[Kip] (6:31 - 6:33)
Yeah, I think so. She's kind of, it's my birthday.

[Amanda] (6:34 - 6:35)
Yeah. And then he gives her peanut butter.

[Kip] (6:35 - 6:36)
Yes, that's right.

[Amanda] (6:38 - 6:41)
Oh, okay. Yep. Yep.

That's what I, that's what I was remembering. Okay.

[Kip] (6:41 - 6:44)
Okay. That's it. That's all she wrote.

Now it's time for.

[Amanda] (6:45 - 6:45)
Theresa's stream.

[Kip] (6:45 - 6:46)
Nope.

[Amanda] (6:47 - 6:49)
Oh my, my high level takeaway.

[Kip] (6:49 - 6:50)
It's time for the high level takeaway.

[Amanda] (6:52 - 7:23)
Um, so my high level takeaway for this is that I actually think that Sun Engine, I think I've come almost like full circle on Sun Engine. When I first watched it, I thought that they were really toxic. And then I was like, no, they're actually so amazingly in love and perfect and all these things.

But now I've come back around. I think too, they are very toxic. And there is something at the end of this episode that I think we're going to have to spoil for people because I think we just have to talk about it.

[Kip] (7:23 - 7:23)
We're going to have to.

[Amanda] (7:24 - 7:26)
And we're just going to have to, you guys, it's been 20 years.

[Kip] (7:26 - 7:29)
It's on you. I already know what you're going to say.

[Amanda] (7:29 - 7:37)
But we need to, at the end of this, we're going to have to talk about something. We're going to have to start doing some spoilers on this show because there's things that are happening that it's like, you guys know.

[Kip] (7:38 - 7:38)
What?

[Amanda] (7:39 - 7:45)
Because I have so many questions about why Sun is truthful about some things and not truthful about others.

[Kip] (7:45 - 7:45)
Thank you.

[Amanda] (7:45 - 7:49)
It makes no sense. And my high level thought on all this is that they're very toxic.

[Kip] (7:50 - 7:51)
Yeah. OK. Thank you.

[Amanda] (7:51 - 8:19)
OK. And like, do the like young 20 something version of me want to be like, it's so worth it. It doesn't matter.

But like he destroyed her fricking garden because he was mad at her. They're very toxic and they don't get better. They get better and then they get worse and they get better and they get worse.

But they're my high level thinking is 20 something. Amanda was trying to romanticize Jid and Sun too much. And 35 year old Amanda is like, you y'all toxic.

[Kip] (8:20 - 8:20)
I like it.

[Amanda] (8:20 - 8:24)
36 year old Amanda is like, you're a dick.

[Kip] (8:25 - 8:29)
All right. Thank you, Amanda. That's a good one.

We will definitely be touching on that later.

[Amanda] (8:29 - 8:30)
I don't know what she's talking about.

[Kip] (8:31 - 8:31)
You're going to find out.

[Amanda] (8:31 - 8:33)
It's a real issue.

[Kip] (8:34 - 8:39)
All righty. Now we know it's time for Teresa's stream of consciousness. Also.

[Amanda] (8:39 - 14:03)
All right. The whole truth. OK.

A Sun episode. Holy crap, Jid. He looks fine.

Uh oh. Is this the night? They're so obsessed with each other.

It's cute. Jid is hotting my cats. Oh, OK.

So it's not their first time. They plan the sexy times for the baby making. Oh, man.

Their romantic evening has turned to shit because of his work. It's so sad. I'm not sure about a baby making everything better.

Like, I get why he might think that. But I do not condone a baby as a solution to problems. Oh, seriously.

This garden is so cute. Oh, God. Not again.

Oh, it's Jid. Phew. Oh, he's mad.

Probably because she's alone and he's scared, methinks. But let's not turn fear into anger, Jid. Why don't you just do the garden with her?

What else are you up to? Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no.

This is not OK. This is cruel. Poor son.

That was so frickin' mean. Like, absolutely unnecessary. Why are we running so fast?

And is this training? Are you just running? Oh, it's not.

It's not army training. Hey, John. Snacking on a nanner.

Oh, she's just working out. What do you mean, what do you want? Didn't you run over to him?

Oh, that's her tent. And he's telling her. I mean, I guess that's fair.

She'd be a good person to tell. Aw, Rose and Bernard. We haven't seen them in a while.

They're so cute. I love Rose so much. She's so funny.

At least she's keeping track of what day it is. Son, maybe do what they asked you to do, because you look hella unwell, my friend. Oh, I like son's outfit.

Why are you so sketchy, though? What are you doing? Why are we hiding?

Why a hotel? Oh, it's this guy again. Tell him what?

Um, I thought he was into someone else. Why this awkwardness? She can't be cheating on Jin.

There's just no way. They're trying to make it seem that way. I know it.

Oh, it's English classes. OK. I don't love secrets.

Maybe he likes her. Oh, he answered that pretty damn fast. Oh, my God.

Finally, someone's using the shower. Or is it some kind of boning situation? I see hand marks on the fogged up glass, kind of like that scene in Titanic.

Oh, it's Jack. Oh, it's Jack. Is he naked?

Did he put a towel around his face, or did he just use it for his face? Did Locke just sneak a peek? Do your pores need to be open to shave?

Why is there shavers but no shaving cream? They have everything else. OK, so I think Locke has a point here, but Jack looks good.

I mean, I think there's a better way to talk to him, to Jack, about Henry and Anna Lucia, other than, what do you think about this, but I actually already did it. Also, Jack was weirdly just OK with this. Maybe he's feeling vulnerable, because, you know, he's naked.

OK, new book. I love it. What's son looking for?

What's she asking Sawyer for? Do people normally travel with pregnancy tests? Why do I love Anna Lucia in this episode?

Thank you. Why do we not have a map yet? Why?

You get Henry. We should have gotten her in here sooner. She's doing it.

She's doing the damn thing. Aw, son and Hurley. How awkward.

I love this. Son, are you OK? Oh, it's a doctor.

I getcha. But she can't have a baby. That's sad.

Wait, what? OK, it's not her fault. That's not fair.

Don't take it out on her, Jen. I know he's sad and upset, but so is she, and you guys should be dealing with this together, not like this. Wait, what are we building now?

Oh, is Anna Lucia going to tell Saeed? Oh my God, I forgot about Charlie. Oh, so there was a map.

You know, I wonder, is there a buddy system where you tell someone you're going away for 24 hours so they don't think you've been eaten or killed? Man, Saeed's arms. Charlie has a gun?

When do you get a gun? How? Oh, low blow, Charlie.

You're done. Uh, Kate is everyone's friend. OK, thanks, Kate.

Who does fly with a pregnancy test? I like Son and Kate's friendship, actually. I never noticed watching before, but I think it's really cute.

What is two pink lines? Is that a yes? Oh, yep, it's a yes.

She's pregnant on an island. You know, we're pretty chill about touching the pee stick. I'm a jack on this, though.

You should tell Jen everything at this point. Sir, don't ask. Oh, the guy she's with in the hotel room.

I know you're going to ask her for the boobie boons. Or maybe not. Uh, maybe he is?

Why does it seem like they're moving toward each other very slowly? Oh, Son, don't do it. You know, Anna Lucia has nice arms, too.

What the heck? Oh, she's confiding in Saeed. She's apologizing.

This is a sweet moment. It takes a lot to recognize that Anna Lucia didn't kill Shannon, kind of thing. Like, I actually truly believe it.

Like, physically she did. But that wasn't the intent. And it wasn't even to hurt her.

Oh, Bernard. Wait, did Sawyer spill the beans? Oh, Jen, his arms.

Goddamn. Okay, good. He's trying to fix what he did.

He recognizes he was a complete and utter arsehole. Aw, he's so happy she's pregnant. Oh, my God, what are you going to tell him?

Did you cheat on him? For God's sake, I hope not. Oh, it's Jen that can't, not Son.

Is that what she's going to tell him? Oh, she told him. I should really learn to wait, eh?

Okay, that was okay. That tempter. Wait, what's the male equivalent of a temptress?

Whatever, that guy. He didn't get to her while she was upset. But yay, we have an island miracle baby.

Maybe Aaron can have a friend. And yes, work on the goddamn garden together. There's nothing else to do here but that stuff.

Aw, he realizes that dad, he realizes that he called him daddy-o. That's cute. Have they not said I love you this whole time?

Oh, my God, they're so cute. Are John and Jack just having a pissing contest on what they can do without telling the other? Henry is literally so annoying right now.

He's just poking at them little by little. Back in your hobby hole, Henry. No more cereal for you.

The end. You really don't remember this show, hey? No, I really don't.

[Theresa] (14:03 - 14:04)
I really don't.

[Amanda] (14:04 - 14:14)
Get that out there. No, I really don't. I said that from the beginning, like I don't remember, no.

No, I know, but sometimes I forget that until you sometimes talk about things and I'm like, oh, bitch does not know what's coming.

[Kip] (14:16 - 14:27)
I like how you put out there, are they going to do this? And then it happens instead of like when you said, I should probably just wait instead of, right? I'm like, no, I like how you do that.

It's like literally your stream of consciousness.

[Amanda] (14:27 - 14:30)
Yeah, because that's what you do. You're like, oh my God, is this about to happen?

[Kip] (14:30 - 14:30)
Yeah, exactly.

[Amanda] (14:30 - 14:52)
Now, generally, when you've watched a show before, it's not as surprising, but for you it is. How many years has it been, Teresa? It's been a long time.

It's been a long time. I just remember that I really like it. I remember the ending, I remember the beginning.

See, that's the difference is like I lived with someone who made me watch it every year, right? Yeah, see, I definitely did not do that. I think I've watched it like maybe twice through all the way.

[Kip] (14:53 - 14:56)
Yeah, so, well, you're going to have some surprises.

[Amanda] (14:56 - 14:59)
Yeah, I'm curious to see what you guys are going to talk about at the end.

[Kip] (14:59 - 15:02)
Okay, so I made a few comments about your stream.

[Amanda] (15:02 - 15:03)
Okay.

[Kip] (15:05 - 15:16)
I agree in the thinking like, do they ever tell someone they're leaving the beach like overnight? Because what's to stop them being like, so-and-so just disappeared, did the others get them?

[Amanda] (15:16 - 15:17)
They're all dead.

[Kip] (15:17 - 15:22)
Right? Like, I wish they would have just been a quick thing, heading out, you know?

[Amanda] (15:22 - 15:26)
Do you tell someone? Because, yeah, they're just like, it's at least a day's walk, at least.

[Kip] (15:26 - 15:28)
Well, we better leave right now then without telling anybody.

[Amanda] (15:29 - 15:35)
Yeah, and then they're like, we're going to set up camp. Does anyone worry that they're not back? Then again, all these people are so selfish, they probably don't notice when people are gone.

[Kip] (15:35 - 15:37)
That's very true. And people are always on the move.

[Amanda] (15:38 - 15:42)
Shift at the hatch that they missed. That's the only way Locke would notice if you were gone at this point.

[Kip] (15:42 - 15:44)
Because it's his hatch. Did you catch that?

[Amanda] (15:44 - 15:45)
Oh, I hated that.

[Kip] (15:45 - 15:46)
Oh, that drove me crazy.

[Amanda] (15:47 - 15:48)
I want him out of my hatch.

[Kip] (15:48 - 15:54)
I was just like, ew, John, gross. Okay, what do we want to talk about first?

[Amanda] (15:54 - 15:59)
I was going to say that my second choice for high-level takeaway was that John Locke's kind of a fox.

[Kip] (16:00 - 16:01)
What? Yeah. Oh, no.

[Amanda] (16:02 - 16:04)
Look, he was shaving.

[Kip] (16:05 - 16:07)
He was shaving? Wait, what? A man?

[Amanda] (16:07 - 16:25)
Not that unattractive of a man. No, I went with the other one for a reason, you guys. I'm just saying that I never in a million years thought that.

But this time around, I'm really concerned about how attractive I find some of these people. Evangeline Lilly, I did not find attractive the first go-around at all.

[Kip] (16:25 - 16:26)
Hey, you've grown 20 years.

[Amanda] (16:26 - 16:30)
That's a lot. 20 years, I believe I'm more in touch with their spirit.

[Kip] (16:31 - 16:36)
But out of that shower shave scene you went with John Locke?

[Amanda] (16:36 - 16:50)
I actually said to Teresa that Jack didn't look as good as I thought he would. So I think there is something wrong with me. Did I get an MRI?

No, I think just your tastes are maturing. Then I should like Jack's dad bod. He doesn't have a dad bod.

[Kip] (16:50 - 16:55)
He does not have a dad bod. He does not have a dad bod. Have you seen a dad bod?

That is not a dad bod.

[Amanda] (16:55 - 16:58)
That's not a dad bod. It's not that good, though.

[Kip] (16:58 - 16:59)
Yeah, but that doesn't mean it's a dad bod.

[Amanda] (16:59 - 17:08)
I don't want to talk about his body. I feel bad. Only positive comments on their bodies.

John Locke is just better looking than I thought he was. Fine.

[Theresa] (17:09 - 17:10)
That's fine.

[Amanda] (17:10 - 17:20)
Amen to each their own. All right. Evangeline Lilly is better looking than I thought.

I'm just saying I'm starting to appreciate everyone for who they are. Okay, okay. And their looks.

Yes.

[Kip] (17:20 - 17:25)
All right, so moving on. John Locke's hat pissed me off when he said that.

[Amanda] (17:26 - 17:26)
Oh, the worst.

[Kip] (17:27 - 17:30)
But man, mommy and daddy, Jack and John are at it again.

[Amanda] (17:31 - 17:31)
Oh my goodness.

[Kip] (17:32 - 17:35)
These two. Like, just, they cannot function. Literally.

[Amanda] (17:36 - 17:38)
They're just, Jack is kind of rude. Like, as a person.

[Kip] (17:40 - 17:44)
I don't think so. I thought John was rude.

[Amanda] (17:45 - 18:00)
He is. He is. But, I mean, even when Jack, later on, like, when Anna, like, we're jumping around, but just because we're on the subject of meeting, he's rude.

Later, when Anna Lucia's like clearly upset with him, and he's just like, I didn't tell anyone. Like, he just doesn't really talk nicely to people.

[Kip] (18:00 - 18:10)
Well, see, and I didn't find it that, like, to me that was more like almost like sucking up to her. Not sucking up, but just being like, like, it's not, it's not like I was hiding it from you. Like, I didn't tell anybody.

[Amanda] (18:11 - 18:11)
Yeah.

[Kip] (18:11 - 18:12)
That's kind of how I read it.

[Amanda] (18:12 - 18:13)
He's very short with people, I think.

[Kip] (18:13 - 18:13)
Yes.

[Amanda] (18:14 - 18:16)
That might be the doctor in him, though.

[Kip] (18:16 - 18:19)
Maybe. But, yeah, he definitely is not a good communicator.

[Amanda] (18:19 - 18:32)
But, yes, John and Locke, John and Locke. John and Locke, they're two people. Kind of.

Locke and Jack are not well suited to live together in John's Hatch.

[Kip] (18:32 - 18:36)
In John's Hatch. I tried to think of, like, a married couple name for them, but I couldn't think of anything.

[Amanda] (18:36 - 18:38)
Like Lack or Jock or Leopard?

[Kip] (18:38 - 18:39)
Or Shock.

[Amanda] (18:40 - 18:44)
Okay. I kind of like Leopard. If we could somehow make Leopard work.

[Kip] (18:45 - 18:45)
Leopard.

[Amanda] (18:46 - 18:50)
Oh, Locke and Shepherd. Last names. What's Shock?

[Kip] (18:50 - 18:52)
Shepherd and Locke.

[Amanda] (18:52 - 18:54)
Oh, I see. Shock's good, too.

[Kip] (18:54 - 18:55)
Shock Leopard.

[Amanda] (18:55 - 19:10)
Oh, we should just call them Jock Leopard. Jock Leopard. But then it's, no, it's because then it's Jack and Locke, and Locke and Shepherd.

So we need something that's John and Jack. So, oh, I guess Jock is.

[Kip] (19:10 - 19:11)
John and Locke.

[Amanda] (19:12 - 19:13)
Oh, no. John and Jack. It can be John and Jack.

[Kip] (19:13 - 19:14)
Right, right, right, right.

[Amanda] (19:14 - 19:22)
He's got his face like, yeah, bitches, that's what I was saying. Jock Leopard is the new.

[Kip] (19:23 - 19:27)
I was going to say it's either a name of a band or like a shock jock from L.A. radio.

[Amanda] (19:27 - 19:31)
Jock Leopard coming at you. Anyway.

[Kip] (19:31 - 19:35)
But man, like them bickering in the bathroom there when Jack's getting out of the shower and just like.

[Amanda] (19:35 - 19:44)
And even just that scene when Jack's like, you couldn't have waited. And he's like, nope, I need to like open my pores or whatever. And then Jack just like does not cover himself.

[Kip] (19:44 - 19:48)
No, and he looks, Locke takes a peek. He's like, well, you came in here.

[Amanda] (19:48 - 19:52)
This is like, that is the most married couple scene I've ever seen in my life.

[Kip] (19:52 - 20:03)
And when like Henry acting as the pseudo child, be like, you guys just like fight all the time. It's so funny to me. There's this weird dynamic between them.

[Amanda] (20:03 - 21:42)
Absolutely. Yeah, it's very strange. Yeah.

So I just watched this episode and yet it's all over in my head in terms of what happens when. The Sun and Jin piece, though, is obviously like very important, but like they are so unbelievably toxic. And that's the thing is like I'm so torn because that scene in the flashback where they're like trying to conceive and like they're being kind of romantic and beginning, then it turns.

And then like it's somewhat nice at times. And it's still this idea that Jin is like, I need to out from under the control of your father. And this is all your father's fault and everything is your father's fault.

And maybe he won't make me do this stuff if we have a baby. So strange. And yeah, like you said, Teresa, like that's not the solution to anything, because if that doesn't help, then they then he's still doing everything he's doing.

But with a baby. But then going to that scene in the garden, I was so torn because at first when he started getting upset, I was like, you know, at least there's a consistency in his character and in the writing, because like people don't change overnight, right? Like even if he's like away from it and, you know, he's trying, but people don't change overnight.

So it's more like believable that he's like working on his anger and working on ways to do it better. But then when he starts ripping up the garden, I'm like, you're just actually an asshole. Yeah, that was just so unnecessary.

And it's when he acts like that, that I have a heart and this whole consistent character thing. And that's why I say I'm torn because it doesn't make me think like, oh, he's still trying to get out of like the mentality he got into when he was with son's dad or working for him or whatever. It just makes me think that deep down, Jin is just an asshole.

[Kip] (21:43 - 22:21)
Like, yeah, I felt the same thing. Teresa being like, why don't you just sit there with her and garden with her? Like, why get all upset, freak the fuck out, rip shit out and then just like storm off.

Yeah, that was that was not good on you, Jin. But like, it's weird because like they have these in previous episodes and like where they go through these things and they sort of it seems like they come to like a new understanding of each other and Jin will apologize. And son will say, well, no, you know, I don't want that life anymore and et cetera, et cetera.

And it's like, OK, there's growth. But then like, yeah, we're faced with this again where Jin it's like, OK, so is that just his nature where he just has a horrible temper?

[Amanda] (22:22 - 22:35)
And like as much as we're like, oh, it's all because of and he keeps blaming son's dad. It's like, no, is that just who you are at your core? And that's why it's so hard for you to get away with it, because you haven't been around son's dad in how long?

And you're kind of getting what you want in life.

[Kip] (22:35 - 23:06)
Like, well, yeah, but like, yeah, I don't know. I in the flashbacks, I didn't blame son for being withdrawn from Jin, just the way that he acted. And yeah, the way he blames her dad for everything.

And it's also like you wanted this, like you chose to go work for him. You didn't have to. And he said that was what he wanted to do to, like, prove to her father that he was a good man, etc.

Jin, simmer down, buddy.

[Amanda] (23:07 - 23:07)
Exactly.

[Kip] (23:08 - 23:23)
But I don't know. The reason I wrote on here are Sun Jin Ep's soap opera-ish. It's because like I read a lot of articles, not articles, but commentary online.

And there is this idea out there that the Sun Jin episode seemed to be the most like soap opera-y.

[Amanda] (23:24 - 23:25)
Yes. Yeah, definitely.

[Kip] (23:26 - 23:42)
And I never really thought about it like that until I read all that. And then watching this episode, it is very dramatic. Like even just in their ups and their downs and like everything going on, like the pregnancy, the fighting, his job for her dad.

Like it's very dramatic.

[Amanda] (23:43 - 24:06)
Learning English behind his back and all this stuff. No, it is super soap opera-y. And I wonder if it's because they are like the only really truly established couple that they're like all of that piece has to come from them.

And so we have all of these like dramatic, you know, tropes, I guess, for lack of a better word, in a show having to be played out through these two characters. That's possible.

[Kip] (24:06 - 24:13)
Yeah, I agree. And like the pregnancy thing too, like he was just wanting it for all the wrong reasons. It was really weird.

And I felt bad for Sun in that scene.

[Amanda] (24:14 - 25:58)
Same. And even when she finds out that she can't have children and he flies off the handle and like starts yelling at her. And I'm like, like that was so unnecessary.

But that's what I mean. Like this is why I struggle because and this is why like my like thinking back on it was like and like obviously they're going to have their ups and downs. And I think it's safe to say that there's gonna be more drama with them and more beautiful moments throughout the show.

And I had a lot of moments where I was like, oh, my God, I love how they they come together and how this. But it's like at the core, like like I said, like 20 something Amanda was like, I want to romanticize this. And I think a lot of people didn't.

I think even the show runners did kind of romanticize pieces of this by being like, oh, he ripped up her whole garden and he screams at her when she can't, you know, give birth or whatever. But we're supposed to think all of this is just because like he's been under so much stress working for her father and he's trying and he comes back and he builds the garden back up. And, you know, says I'm fixing a mistake and it's like I don't buy it.

Like 36 year old Amanda doesn't buy it anymore. Like 22 year old Amanda was like, oh, it's beautiful. Like he's trying so hard and he's really misunderstood and he's just under a lot of stress.

And I'm like, no, like you don't. There is nothing here. And like I think we're supposed to kind of believe in our I'm just jumping all over the place.

But this this idea that like he goes to talk or he's talking with in quotations like Sawyer and Bernard and he can't understand them. And so, like, I guess that's supposed to be kind of like his new stressor, right? Is like he's on this island.

He's got to protect son. She's at risk. She's not listening.

He can't communicate with anyone else. So, like, he's still kind of under all the stress that makes him blow up like this. And it's like, OK, but when when does that end?

When is enough enough?

[Kip] (25:59 - 26:32)
Yeah, I mean, I 38 year old Kip actually, I think, still fell for it a little bit because I was crying when they were like making up in the garden. And I thought it was just beautiful moment. And see when he can't communicate with son or not some gin and not gin.

He is gin when gin can't communicate with Sawyer and Bernard. Like, I felt like he was coming at it from like realizing how alone he actually is without son. So he better make shit right, because it's like if he loses her, he's literally got no one else.

Like he can't talk to anyone else.

[Amanda] (26:32 - 27:04)
But I like and this is what I mean, like and like you are supposed to buy it. So it's not like wrong to like feel that way. I cried, too.

I want them to be happy. I like the idea. But even that idea, like if I was son and my husband came to me and was like trying to make this right.

And the reason for it wasn't anything other than I'm a prick and I'm so, so sorry. I wouldn't want to buy that because I'm sorry, like his realization that I better be nicer to her because if I don't have her, I have no one is not exactly that great of a reason either.

[Kip] (27:04 - 27:09)
But it is a reason. That's not the greatest reason. But right now, all they have is each other.

[Amanda] (27:10 - 27:17)
I mean, would you want to be told that someone was sorry for how they treated you because they realized that if they don't have you, they have no one?

[Kip] (27:18 - 27:20)
Well, no, but I think there is more than just that, too.

[Amanda] (27:21 - 27:23)
I think so, too. Like, I don't think it's quite so.

[Kip] (27:23 - 27:25)
I don't think that was black and white.

[Amanda] (27:25 - 27:41)
Yeah. Like, I think there's more to it. I think there's the realization of like her impact on his life, not just that he's alone, but like how much he cares for her, how much he needs her in more ways than one.

I don't think it was just that I'm going to be completely alone if I don't have you.

[Kip] (27:42 - 28:00)
I will say I get that he was happy when she told him she was pregnant. I also feel like he would be a little bit more concerned about their situation and not just be strictly like over the moon. I'm going to be a daddy.

I think he would be a little bit like, oh, my God, how are we going to have a baby on this island?

[Amanda] (28:01 - 28:05)
Well, that should be the concern. There are no prenatal vitamins. I mean, I don't know.

[Kip] (28:05 - 28:08)
Sawyer might have some. Yeah, I was going to pregnancy test.

[Amanda] (28:08 - 28:23)
So you're so strange in this episode. Like who flies at the I'm sorry, who flies at the pregnancy test? No one does.

I don't know. Someone might. I don't.

Kate is right. Like, that's not that's not normal. I was trying to think, like, what the like, why would you have that in your bag?

[Kip] (28:23 - 28:28)
Maybe you got at the airport thinking, I'm going to do this on the plane because I can't run away or talk to anybody.

[Amanda] (28:28 - 28:29)
You would just do it at the airport bathroom.

[Kip] (28:30 - 28:34)
Or, well, maybe they were missing their flight. Who knows? I don't know.

It is weird.

[Amanda] (28:34 - 28:52)
It is weird. But I mean, I feel like the realization that they're about to have a baby on an island is going to come after the joy of knowing that they conceived a baby when the entire time they thought that they couldn't. It's probably in about 20 minutes.

I also would have been like, how is this possible?

[Kip] (28:53 - 28:54)
It's a miracle.

[Amanda] (28:54 - 28:57)
It's a miracle, baby. She swore to him that.

[Kip] (28:58 - 29:02)
OK, hold on, Amanda. Hold that thought. I know where you're going.

She's so mad. Hold that thought.

[Amanda] (29:02 - 29:04)
OK. I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed.

[Kip] (29:05 - 29:09)
Wait, what? Just just hold on. We'll get to that.

You're going to be on edge a little bit longer.

[Amanda] (29:10 - 29:11)
Oh, my. This is the worst.

[Kip] (29:12 - 29:29)
OK, so Jen freaks the fuck out in the office. How scary would it be as a wife to hear he was terrified to tell your husband the truth because he would burn my practice to the ground?

[Amanda] (29:29 - 29:40)
Yeah, that's terrifying. I'd be like, who am I married to? Exactly.

There's many things I wonder about. But at this point, I'll just stick to this. Why did he track her down to tell her the truth?

[Kip] (29:41 - 29:48)
Well, I don't know. That was weird, too. I thought maybe like it was like, don't go just thinking you can't get pregnant because you're gonna.

[Amanda] (29:48 - 29:51)
So don't go fuck a bunch of bald dudes.

[Kip] (29:51 - 29:52)
What?

[Amanda] (29:54 - 29:57)
Wait, what? I mean, we're here.

[Kip] (29:57 - 29:59)
Fine. What do you mean we're here? Sun's a liar.

[Amanda] (29:59 - 30:00)
Sun is lying.

[Kip] (30:00 - 30:04)
And that's why I totally agree with you. Very toxic. Very toxic.

[Amanda] (30:04 - 30:24)
She is lying. Spoiler alert. The show's been on for 20 years.

Get over it. Sun is having an affair with that guy. Maybe not at this point in her flashbacks, but she has an affair with him, which means, by the way, when she's telling Jim to his face, I did not sleep with another man.

I've only I've never been with another man. I swear she is lying to him.

[Kip] (30:24 - 30:25)
Yeah, it's horrible.

[Amanda] (30:26 - 30:26)
I know.

[Kip] (30:26 - 30:27)
No.

[Amanda] (30:27 - 30:48)
Yes. And can I tell you something that makes no fucking sense to me? Why did you bother telling him that he wasn't the issue then?

Like, why don't you just be like, yeah, I don't know how I got pregnant. They must have been wrong about me. Why go to the trouble to be like, I am not the problem.

You are for him to be like, well, then how is it possible? And then to be like, but I never slept with anyone else.

[Kip] (30:48 - 30:52)
Yeah, just leave it. Leave it as him thinking it's a miracle. She's not pregnant.

[Amanda] (30:52 - 30:55)
Just be like, I'm pregnant. I don't understand how.

[Kip] (30:55 - 30:59)
Because it's like she's not even telling like it'd be different if she told him the whole truth.

[Amanda] (30:59 - 31:01)
But the fact that Jack urged her to.

[Kip] (31:01 - 31:16)
Yeah, which also great scene by Jack, because I totally forgot about her not telling Jin that she spoke English. And it's like, reminder, son, be honest. Your queen son, Teresa, has a fall from grace.

[Amanda] (31:16 - 31:29)
You've got a few episodes to go, but you're going to have a moment with her. Oh my God. And you're going to be pissed and whatever.

Like, I don't even care. Have an affair. It's fine.

I don't. But like, it happens. I get it.

[Theresa] (31:29 - 31:31)
Toxic relationship and all.

[Amanda] (31:31 - 31:58)
I just don't understand why. Like, don't don't muddy the waters. And it makes no sense to me.

Why would you go out of your way to tell him the truth? It wasn't. It's you.

That's the problem. Because either way, if either way, some sort of miracle in quotations or some sort of misunderstanding or scientific anomaly or whatever has happened because one of them was told they couldn't do this. So just let him think that whatever happened happened.

[Kip] (31:58 - 32:14)
So I feel like maybe son starts out thinking she's going to tell the whole truth. And then I think maybe I'm just speculating because we'll try to look at the characters as a whole. And the whole thing, Teresa is in utter shock.

[Amanda] (32:14 - 32:17)
I'm stressed. I can't even function.

[Kip] (32:18 - 32:44)
Maybe she goes into it thinking, OK, I'm going to tell Jin the entire truth and be honest with him. And then she just loses her her will partway through, maybe because Jin is really scary and he can be really scary. And like you said at the beginning, can maybe he's just a jerk who has a terrible temper and can wreck stuff.

So maybe she loses her will and just like decides that the last thing I can't tell the whole truth. I'm just going to stop now.

[Amanda] (32:45 - 33:10)
So that's also what I think happened. But I just don't think it was acted well then, because I think that like that should have come across clear. Yeah.

So I actually think that's the only thing that makes sense to me as well. But I feel like there would have been ways to either have him start to have because he didn't really react. No, he wasn't really having a reaction, like either start to see him like I could see if he started out by being like, what, how?

Well, he started to get worked up.

[Theresa] (33:10 - 33:10)
Yeah.

[Amanda] (33:10 - 33:32)
Her being like, but I never. And then choosing you or even if you could see something like on her. She's a great actress.

He's a great actor. If you could see something on her face to help trying to like come across that realization. I just felt like the way it played out.

It was like she told him this. He's just kind of like processing that. And then very quickly, she's just like, but I've never been with anyone else.

[Kip] (33:32 - 33:36)
Yeah. It's almost like she's just reacting calculated. Yeah, exactly.

[Amanda] (33:36 - 33:44)
I agree. Like what would have made more sense to me is if there was some sort of strong reaction from him and then she did panic or something like that. So I just think that the scene wasn't well developed.

[Kip] (33:45 - 33:45)
Yeah.

[Amanda] (33:45 - 33:56)
And it makes no sense to me as it plays out that she would tell him that piece, hurt him kind of with that and then perpetuate this lie so that he's now thinking that.

[Kip] (33:57 - 33:58)
Spoilers.

[Amanda] (33:58 - 34:13)
He's having this baby and everything's fine. And so that is so. It's like her idol fell like she's just.

It's not even that like I just it changes the whole ending of the episode. Absolutely.

[Theresa] (34:13 - 34:13)
Yeah.

[Amanda] (34:13 - 34:32)
And I think that's what I'm having trouble processing is because I was like, oh, that's nice. Like they're they're finally in a good place where like he recognizes he's an asshole. She recognizes that she's been keeping secrets left and right.

Here she is, like confessing them. And then turns out there's more.

[Theresa] (34:32 - 34:32)
Yeah.

[Amanda] (34:32 - 35:00)
That's why they're toxic. And I'm like upset by it because like I'm just kind of like. But that's why they're toxic.

And that's why that conversation with Jack is so important, because Jack is like it's like he doesn't know what he like knows. Right. He knows that there's like so much toxicity between them and history of like pain and secrets and dishonesty and all that stuff that he's like urging.

I see it as him like urging her to go into this like next chapter.

[Kip] (35:01 - 35:01)
Yeah, exactly.

[Amanda] (35:01 - 35:02)
Like you have this moment.

[Kip] (35:02 - 35:10)
Like this is like a new chance to start fresh. Like a baby can be that to a lot of people.

[Amanda] (35:10 - 35:34)
And for someone who I think kind of, you know, at the airport when they were leaving, she could have. I feel like she took that choice that like start fresh, try to do this. And I feel like as much as it would have been hard and like no one wants to say to a man that is their husband, that this child might not be yours.

I think at this point, like like I said, she starts telling kind of have truths again.

[Kip] (35:34 - 35:34)
Yeah.

[Amanda] (35:34 - 36:08)
So it's not good. And I think that, yeah, Jack was very right to urge her to kind of just say like, you know, this is like especially with everything they've been through. Like at this point, like it's going to break them or it's not like you might as well.

I don't know. That's my whole thing. I don't I don't I get it.

Like I I remember my psychology professor in undergrad once saying that when it came to like infidelity and stuff, you should never admit to it. But if you're confronted with it, you should never lie. And that was that was the advice.

And I've read that that is advice people give.

[Kip] (36:08 - 36:10)
OK, you should never admit to it.

[Amanda] (36:10 - 36:36)
Like if you have an affair, my psychology professor used to say that the advice he gave was you don't admit to it. Like you don't have to you don't walk up to your partner and be like, I just had an affair. Right.

Because like you're like unburdening yourself and it becomes more about like you and like the guilt you're trying to get rid of and less about them in the relationship. I think this was only if it was like a one. Like, I don't think if this was like if it was an ongoing thing, but like a one off type thing.

But if you're confronted with it, you should never lie.

[Theresa] (36:36 - 36:37)
Yeah.

[Amanda] (36:37 - 37:08)
Is what they said, because like lying is what the problem behavior is. And to me, that's kind of like this. I was thinking of that when I was watching this.

And I'm like, she's still perfect. Like they have issues. And the biggest issue that they have is that they don't communicate honestly.

Right. And that's how it's been since day one. Like if he had just come to her, I think in the beginning, like your father's toxic, making you do all these bad things.

They could have maybe found a way out together or she had a bit more understanding. Well, he tried or whatever it might be. But their biggest issue is we don't know how to communicate.

[Kip] (37:08 - 37:08)
Yeah.

[Amanda] (37:09 - 37:10)
And that is not getting better here.

[Kip] (37:11 - 37:17)
No, it's definitely not getting better. Teresa is so shook. We need to change.

[Amanda] (37:17 - 37:22)
I thought it had gotten better. No, it didn't. It didn't.

[Kip] (37:22 - 37:23)
It didn't get better.

[Amanda] (37:23 - 37:25)
Like I feel like my heart has just been broken.

[Kip] (37:26 - 37:34)
It's fine. So let's talk about something we can all agree on. Nobody missed Charlie and everyone was fucking annoyed when he came back on screen.

[Amanda] (37:34 - 37:39)
It's just like dark emo enforcer Charlie.

[Kip] (37:40 - 37:48)
Like as soon as he was there, I was like, oh, man, I forgot about him. Yeah. And then that scene like about the gun.

[Amanda] (37:49 - 37:50)
That was rude.

[Kip] (37:50 - 37:56)
Yeah. And like the irony. Right.

Because like the last time, not the last time he held a gun, but he murdered someone himself.

[Amanda] (37:56 - 37:58)
Well, exactly. And his was deliberate.

[Kip] (37:58 - 38:00)
Yeah, exactly. So fuck you, Charlie.

[Amanda] (38:01 - 38:02)
Like, all right, asshole.

[Kip] (38:03 - 38:03)
Yeah.

[Amanda] (38:04 - 38:08)
I just yeah, like it's those in glass houses, you know.

[Kip] (38:08 - 38:15)
Right. And we missed an amazing opportunity for a Lord of the Rings Easter egg there when Charlie said no time for breakfast. Second breakfast.

[Amanda] (38:15 - 38:16)
And a hobbit breakfast.

[Kip] (38:17 - 38:23)
Yeah, it could have been so good. Okay, so let's talk about the little bee mission to go find the parachute.

[Amanda] (38:24 - 38:31)
Well, I don't know if we really touched. We talked a lot about John and Locke, but what about what do we make? I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on Locke going to Antelucia.

[Kip] (38:32 - 38:34)
Well, A, it makes sense and they should have went to her sooner.

[Amanda] (38:34 - 38:35)
Yeah, I agree.

[Kip] (38:36 - 38:45)
Exactly. And I think number one, even like the number one thing he says is because she's had experience with the others. But I think the number one reason is she's a fucking cop.

[Amanda] (38:45 - 38:45)
Yeah.

[Kip] (38:46 - 38:47)
Like she knows how to interrogate people.

[Amanda] (38:48 - 38:48)
Yeah.

[Kip] (38:48 - 38:54)
Without torturing them. So like I think he was perfectly right to go to Antelucia.

[Amanda] (38:55 - 38:56)
Yeah, I thought that was really brilliant.

[Kip] (38:56 - 39:02)
So that was good. And she was really good in her scenes with Henry.

[Amanda] (39:03 - 39:06)
Teresa kind of said in her thing, like, I really liked Antelucia in this one.

[Kip] (39:07 - 39:43)
But no, she was good. She clearly like took it seriously. And I think, too, it was good to hear her say, recognizing the mistake she made with Nathan.

And that she doesn't want to make that same mistake again and jump to conclusions. It was a good episode for Antelucia, actually, in terms of like her reconciling and, you know, apologizing and kind of having this vulnerable moment with Said. And also for Said to sort of come to terms with what actually happened to Shannon.

And that it was an accident. And there are others to blame for her death and not Antelucia.

[Amanda] (39:43 - 40:57)
See, what I like about Antelucia, and I mean, I think at the end of the day, like, you know, every character should stand on their own, etc. But obviously, I don't think it's that shocking to see that Antelucia is brought in as a bit of a foil to Kate and to like kind of interfere with the Jack-Kate storyline. So you're going to draw some parallels between the two.

They're both kind of like these, like, strong women, etc. They've both done a lot of shit. But I have to say, like, although I don't really like Antelucia as a character overall, I do like, I do think she owns her stuff more.

Like, I don't think, like, she was very, like, yeah, when she first killed Shannon, she had those kind of like panicky, like, what do we do moments. But I think lots of people would. But I think she's been pretty, like, respectful of the fact that like, obviously, Saeed in particular, but others as well are not going to accept her because of like, you know, and I think she even like killing that guy.

Like, I don't think like, I don't think she went and turned herself in after. But I also don't think she was like, necessarily trying to like, I mean, she shot him in like the street. Like, I think that like, as much as she makes really bad decisions, I think she owns them a little bit more and is more self aware about them as being wrong.

[Kip] (40:57 - 40:57)
Exactly.

[Amanda] (40:57 - 41:00)
And not trying to.

[Kip] (41:00 - 41:28)
It's not delusional in the fact that she thinks she's a self righteous person. Like she knows what she's doing isn't right. And then in the moment, she's has a hard time coming to terms with it.

But I think eventually she does for the most part come to terms with it. And like, I thought, yeah, I thought it was good for her. And I really liked when Saeed was ready to be like, no parachute, let's go home or let's go back.

And she's like, no, if I'm going to back you on this, like, we need to be damn sure that it's not here.

[Amanda] (41:28 - 41:29)
Absolutely. That's fair.

[Kip] (41:30 - 41:37)
I also appreciated Saeed being like, okay, we'll check as thoroughly as you want. And like, they, they have come to be this like, actually, like, good team.

[Amanda] (41:37 - 41:44)
But that makes sense to me. Like, it's, it sucks that they kind of got off on this. Not to downplay, it sucks that it sucked.

[Kip] (41:44 - 41:45)
On the wrong foot.

[Amanda] (41:45 - 42:07)
But on a grand scale, it does suck that they kind of got off on this bad footing. Because I do actually think Anna Lucia and Saeed together make a great team. And the idea of them, like to me, it's the same how I wish Locke and Saeed worked together better.

And like, Jack and Locke, like these, these, like, there's a lot of skilled people here.

[Kip] (42:07 - 42:07)
Yeah.

[Amanda] (42:07 - 42:15)
Who if they could get on the same freaking page, this island would be run so efficiently. But I do think Saeed and Anna Lucia make a lot of sense.

[Kip] (42:16 - 42:16)
Yeah, I agree.

[Amanda] (42:16 - 42:29)
And so I like to see them kind of working together. But yeah, I liked Anna Lucia a lot in this episode. I liked her stuff with Saeed here.

But I also did like her interrogation of Henry. Like, I thought it made a lot of sense.

[Kip] (42:30 - 42:41)
The, yeah, it was, I don't know. Why, why was Saeed staring at her as she slept? Why, why do men just stare at her as she sleeps?

Like they've shown it twice. And it's this very intense way.

[Amanda] (42:42 - 43:53)
I think, I don't know. I'm like, just back in, I think for Saeed, it's just more like, I think he still doesn't fully trust her. Because at the end of the day, and I was thinking about this too, because when we were talking, I think earlier, Teresa, about like how like, it was clear, like she didn't intend to hurt.

Like she didn't mean to kill Shannon. She didn't even mean to hurt her or whatever. And it's like, yes, that's very clear.

And I just want, my mind started going to like, what like actual criminal sanctions she could face for that. And just like stuff like that. And I was just thinking about that idea of like, she didn't mean to hurt her.

She didn't mean to kill anyone, but she was acting kind of recklessly. Right? Like she, she's a cop.

So she should know that having a gun out in that dramatic scene, she was looking for a fight with someone. It's not completely unforeseeable that something could have happened like that. And I think at the end of the day, like even when Saeed and other people can reconcile the fact that like, she didn't mean to hurt her.

It's like, she was still capable of doing this action though. And I think that still freaks people out because she's a bit of a wild card and kind of remains a wild card like throughout her time on the show.

[Kip] (43:53 - 43:54)
Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

[Amanda] (43:55 - 44:13)
So I don't know what that means in terms of multiple people having watched her, if there's like just something about her, but, or if that comes to be more fully fleshed out, but in that case, that's kind of how I see it. I think like Saeed's still like on edge about her and her behavior, even if he knows like it wasn't intentional. Yeah.

[Kip] (44:13 - 44:17)
I liked that Jock, Jock. I liked that Jock Shepherd.

[Theresa] (44:18 - 44:19)
No, Jock Leopard.

[Kip] (44:20 - 44:42)
I liked that Jack brought Henry Gale out. But again, it was sort of this weird, like, you did something without asking me, I'm going to do something without asking you moment. Yeah, it's very weird.

It's very bizarre situation with them, but it was also nice to just be like, I get that they don't fully trust him, but they're not also going to just like keep this prisoner locked in this little room.

[Amanda] (44:42 - 44:44)
No, it's not like them. Like this isn't who they are.

[Kip] (44:45 - 45:04)
And then you could tell John was a little surprised at first, but man, what would I do if I was an other, if I was one of these people that you think I am? Oh my God. Okay.

First of all, amazingly acted by Michael Emerson. So freaking good.

[Amanda] (45:04 - 45:08)
I almost feel like bad for the cast now that Michael Emerson's there.

[Kip] (45:08 - 45:16)
Like even when he was talking in the bunker about that book, like about prophets and martyrs, like everything he says is just freaking amazing.

[Amanda] (45:17 - 45:51)
Yeah. That was a very good. And like, the thing is like, you just like these whole episodes with, with Henry Gale locked in that room, you don't, you from scene to scene, you're like, what is going on here?

It's like when he, ah, he's so good. Cause you actually don't know at this point. No, but you know that there's something weird.

Like you feel sketched out when he's like, what would I, if I was captured, I don't know that I'd be like, if you had captured me and I actually was one of those people, what would I do? Would I?

[Kip] (45:52 - 45:53)
Yeah.

[Amanda] (45:53 - 45:58)
But then if you were actually one of those people, would you tell them that's what you were going to do if you were trying to pretend you weren't that person?

[Kip] (45:59 - 46:05)
Like, I mean, it's very unsettling the way he's acting. And you can tell that he's like pushing their buttons.

[Amanda] (46:05 - 46:07)
Oh, deliberately.

[Kip] (46:07 - 46:11)
So like, clearly he's trying to do something that's not totally on the level.

[Amanda] (46:12 - 46:21)
He's completely like, in the beginning when he's like, you guys, they were talking about how they fight up to this, like, you know, that map I made Anna Lucia and it's like, Oh, you fucker.

[Kip] (46:23 - 46:25)
Oh man. And that look they give each other.

[Amanda] (46:25 - 46:33)
You cannot trust this man. Like he is sketchy. No, you can't trust him.

But like, you don't really fully understand why.

[Kip] (46:33 - 46:40)
No, no, no. But yeah, that just chills that speech. And there's just that, that final line of you guys got any milk?

Like just so good.

[Amanda] (46:41 - 46:45)
Like just so nonchalant. Like innocent quote unquote. He's so good.

[Kip] (46:45 - 46:48)
I just love that. Oh, I love it so much.

[Amanda] (46:48 - 46:49)
And then it just ends there.

[Kip] (46:49 - 46:50)
I know. And that's the ending, right?

[Amanda] (46:51 - 46:59)
I was like shocked by the ending. Like I was just kind of sitting there. I'm like, and?

And then I was like, okay, so I guess that's the end of that.

[Kip] (47:00 - 47:05)
But man, does that set up for next episode? It's gonna be nuts.

[Theresa] (47:06 - 47:06)
What?

[Kip] (47:07 - 47:20)
Teresa, I love that you don't remember anything. So, okay, I guess. Are we ready for the rankings?

The character rankings, see how they do. Yeah. You're so sad.

[Amanda] (47:20 - 47:22)
I'm just perplexed.

[Kip] (47:22 - 47:22)
I know.

[Amanda] (47:22 - 48:12)
All right, my rankings for this week. We have three people in the bottom three. Michael at number 16 with negative 830.

Charlie with negative 665. Ana Lucia with negative 55. Then we have our top 13.

Starting with Kate with 10. Desmond with 60. Walt with 240.

Libby with 390. Jack with 630. Sawyer with 755.

Claire with 780. Jen with 1170. Then we have our top five.

Echo with 1270. Syed, 1430. Sun, 1630.

Lock, 1645. And then Hurley at number one still with 1735.

[Kip] (48:12 - 48:14)
Wow. Got a good spot at the top there.

[Amanda] (48:15 - 48:19)
Yeah, Hurley's great. Everybody loves Hurley. Everybody loves Hugo.

[Kip] (48:20 - 48:37)
Yeah. My MVP, and Amanda, I'd like to hear your, I changed it to MVP and LVP, most valuable, least valuable. So mine hasn't changed from Syed being in first place and Charlie being in last place.

So who's yours? Who's your MVP and your LVP?

[Amanda] (48:37 - 48:38)
For this one episode?

[Kip] (48:38 - 48:38)
Yeah.

[Amanda] (48:39 - 48:43)
I think probably, you know, I think Ana Lucia might be my MVP.

[Kip] (48:44 - 48:47)
She did go up the most in my rankings this week. Same. She got the most points.

[Amanda] (48:49 - 49:00)
But I'm not doing that based on like up and down like you guys are. I'm just literally taking it for just this episode. It would be Ana Lucia.

And, I mean, least valuable would be Charlie. Charlie's so useless.

[Kip] (49:01 - 49:02)
So useless.

[Amanda] (49:02 - 49:06)
And just like, is he just like, what is he doing?

[Kip] (49:07 - 49:08)
Literally nothing. Yeah.

[Amanda] (49:08 - 49:09)
Nothing of value anyway.

[Kip] (49:10 - 49:26)
Yeah, no, exactly. What is he doing? What is he doing?

Okay, so episode rating. How are we going to do this one? Lucia, you want to give us your rating?

Ranking? Rating? What do you give it?

[Amanda] (49:26 - 49:44)
I think from now on I have to do my rating before we have a chat. Because I'm struggling a little bit to not rip points away. Or not points, but rip ranking.

[Kip] (49:44 - 49:47)
Based it on this episode before we chat.

[Amanda] (49:47 - 49:50)
That's what I'm trying to do. Now my heart is broken.

[Kip] (49:52 - 49:53)
It's about to happen.

[Amanda] (49:53 - 50:54)
Yeah, it was. I mean, they're all flawed, right? I mean, hiding that you can speak English is one thing, but this is a whole other.

Isn't that surprising that someone who could do that could also cheat on him? You know what? I believed her when she said that she hadn't slept with anybody.

I was like, this is beautiful. A whole truth. Fresh start.

He's planning things. Fresh start. You know, like, it was all very symbolic and now it's all just kind of ruined.

But I think I'm going to give it an eight. If I try to really think of how I felt about the episode, I really liked the episode. I liked seeing their kind of progression and how they haven't really changed that much.

But they're trying, which is better than they were before. And I really liked all the scenes with Ben. And I really, really liked not only seeing this episode, which is surprising.

So I'm going to give it an eight, mainly because I can't think of what else I would give it pre-chat.

[Kip] (50:57 - 51:20)
I think I'll give it an, I think I'm going to go with like an 8.3. Like for me, it's higher than the IMDB average. But it's also like, it's a good setup episode, in my opinion. Like I do like a lot of stuff that happens.

[Amanda] (51:20 - 52:53)
I think I would give it an eight as well. I really, I mean, I think this is one of the things that makes this show so great. Like there's many things, but I'm really not happy with Sun and Jin in this episode.

And normally I love Sun and I like Jin enough. And I normally don't like Andalusia, but one episode can kind of like make you kind of turn all that around on itself. And that I think is good.

Like it just shows that they're kind of real. And that's why I said I was torn earlier about Jin because I'm like, I like to see that he's not just changing overnight because like, that's not real. But I just don't really like where he's at either.

So I don't know. It's hard. I like the On Island stuff.

I think the stuff with, it's very clear that they're setting up. I think that they are taking this Henry Gale thing at a very good race. Like they're not rushing the storyline, but they're not dragging it out so much that I'm like, okay, what is happening?

I think that's really good storytelling. The Sun and Jin stuff is compelling, but it is soap opera-ish, like Kip said. So for me, that's why it's kind of like, 8 is still a phenomenal ranking for any sort of TV show.

I can't even think of a show I would give 8 to right now. But for this show, 8 is pretty low in the sense that I don't like that soap opera-ish. I don't like that Sun is clearly lying.

I don't like that there's going to obviously be more tension and blow up stuff around that. But I do like that we're getting even a little bit closer to like, what is going on with Henry Gale? We're going to find that blow up.

What's going to happen? I love that piece.

[Kip] (52:53 - 53:29)
Awesome. Alrighty, well, thank you for tuning in to another episode of Let's Get Lost. We really, really appreciate you listening to us talk about the show, the show that we love.

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[Amanda] (53:29 - 53:30)
Bye.